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hello and welcome to the show of martin

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and first and foremost i have to say

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there are scheduled guests

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um she felt ill uh to

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she's just not feeling well enough to do

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the show this evening and unfortunately

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we're going to be talking about the

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berkshires ufo so she had to cancel

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and uh she's going to be will reschedule

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her at some point

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probably sometime in january um

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so uh luckily i was able to get a

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fill-in guest i'll be talking about that

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in just a minute

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and uh before uh before our

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our the show you know the main guest of

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the show

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we have uh the honor of having ben smith

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he is a former cia operative and

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he was featured in roswell the first

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witness

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as a part of history's greatest

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mysteries

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and that premieres on the twelfth

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on the history channel at nine pm so

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you're going to have to check that out

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because uh

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one of the perks of doing the show is i

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get to see screeners ahead of time

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and uh i really like it but you know i

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can't really

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talk about them on the show that's kind

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of like the double-edged sword i get to

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i get to watch but i can't give anything

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away

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so i i have to delicately talk about it

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but i want to tell you

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you're going to watch you're going to

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love to watch

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this program um a lot of times people

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will say to me well

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roswell again you know haven't we heard

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everything about roswell

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well um there is definitely you're

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this and get a lot out of it and we'll

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to our guests about that um it's one of

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programs it's so well put together and

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it's going to be a series of

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three three programs six hours

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and uh so i got to watch the first you

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seri of the series and really really

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liked it a lot

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our filling guest is retired major david

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tune and he is going to be talking about

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his study on imagery

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analysis of nasa archive solar

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satellite photos and we're going to be

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talking about that there's some

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really quite unusual pictures you sent

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we'll show those on youtube that they're

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going to be in

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the show notes you'll see them there as

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well uh just a couple things christmas

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is coming

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if you wanted to get yourself a

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and more just click on the merchandise

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give away you know the show right before

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christmas we're going to give away a

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couple of t-shirts

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to callers of the lot at the live show

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while you're over at podcast ufo uh

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check out our latest

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blog by charles lear and the title of

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this blog is

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pancakes from the ufo now

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that there really is an encounter that

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had to do with uh

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supposed aliens uh cooking pancakes it's

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really a strange

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uh but very interesting case and

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you know as i said a few times kind of

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feel this way that sometimes the weirder

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the almost the more credible some of

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these stories are but i i do cross the

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line at uh

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pancakes that that that is just a little

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a little too much

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also if you want to buy yourself one of

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my paintings i have ufo paintings

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and uh traditional art uh that i paint

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and that is on martinwillisart.com

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and all you have to do uh if you want to

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purchase something is enter the code ufo

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to buy yourself a christmas present

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now my friend to the north uh jordan

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bonaparte

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uh he has a podcast that just came out

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uh this morning

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and uh so it's this latest one on the

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and it's a tribute to stanton friedman

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with his nephew who's actually a past

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guest on this show paul kimball

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and i really really enjoyed this uh

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podcast and i think you will too if you

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liked uh stanton friedman

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and what he's done it's such a well done

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show check that out nighttime podcast

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site our live show just a little more

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housekeeping our live show

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coming up is going to be on sunday this

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week instead of the regular tuesday

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germany sunday at 2 p.m

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he's going to be talking about his uh

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website and there's a lot of uh

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a lot of uh interesting pictures and

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stories that they've come up with so uh

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and i'm going to bring in our guest

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welcome to the show

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ben hello thanks for

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thanks for being on my pleasure

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it looked like you were having some fun

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that that video so can you uh before we

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and all that can you uh give your your

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background you're a retired or or former

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and what you're interested in did you

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have an interest in ufos

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uh yeah i can do all that so my name is

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ben smith for for

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all the audience out there um i grew up

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affairs i decided well how can i serve

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applied online i filled out an

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application sent it off into the

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government so got a lot of reps

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terrorist sympathizers many with

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incredible claims saying hey i've got

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something that's really going to make uh

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the world change and i want to give it

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to uncle sam and you know it's my job to

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meet the person bet the person validate

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try to suss out

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maybe they're not and maybe it's to

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kind of just wrestling in the mud with

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some great uh media out there and

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this history channel program wow wow

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intelligent life that's uh that's hard

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not i don't know sometimes

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but uh and i've wondered why would we be

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you know well uh you know life

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like planets i mean with as much water

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it's it's critical right like even if

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there's the smallest chance

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of alien contact here we should be

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taking it seriously just as the military

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national security threat in whatever

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uh from other worlds so uh yeah that's

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the way i i approach the issue

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um i'm not a i don't consider myself a

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debunker i'm not here

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to with a predetermined bias it says oh

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know i'm open-minded and i want to be

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convinced either way how did you uh

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how did how did the show find your you

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find the show

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how did that happen uh well i had done

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that that show in colombia

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looking for pablo escobar's money and um

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fantastic to me i've been pitching

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projects all over town new york city hey

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i wanna

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um these are some ideas that i have

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things i want to investigate and a

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friend of mine informed me that history

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channel was looking for an investigator

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to

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and i

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lobbied pretty hard for the job i got

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multiple people to send in

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recommendations and say hey

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that's me i want to be that there i want

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to be on the debris field i want to talk

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to witnesses and see what we can learn

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and how much background work did you

305
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were you involved in in getting that

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thing started

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the ball was already rolling uh the

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marcel children who featured prominently

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in the um the docu-series on history

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this is the saturday

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um you know they they got the ball

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rolling they were the ones pushing

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production company

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bringing the evidence this this new

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journal that we can discuss

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um yeah belong to their grandfather to

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history channel and saying hey what can

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be done

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and then um that ball was already

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rolling so i had a lot of ketchup to do

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um i've i've done a lot of my own

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vehicle research but i was new to

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the roswell incident so i had to spend

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time with don schmidt

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and some of the greats and reading their

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work and their research and

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and jumping right in to the deep end but

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um

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once i got out there and part of the

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investigation and meeting the um

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the uh the marcel grandchildren it was

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game on from there

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yeah yeah they're great i've talked to

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uh jesse iii

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yeah he's been on the show before uh

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great guy

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um he was working on flying cars at one

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time

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i'm wondering yeah he's got a pretty

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cool got some patents

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uh you know this is one of the benefits

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of even something

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like roswell right here the grandson of

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the first witness

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has invented some crazy new propulsion

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technology that could change you know

347
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transportation as we know it so it's

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pretty exciting

349
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well i've been waiting for a flying car

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since the 1960s

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seems like we should have one by now but

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uh wow uh

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yes uh the what without spoiling

354
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anything

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um on this of the series of three there

356
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what do you think is the most compelling

357
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part of the roswell case

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well from the get-go what really caught

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my eye was obviously the u.s government

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uh press release that they had recovered

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a flying disc right like when has that

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happened

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no other country has done it

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i think they learned their lives why did

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they make this mistake did they were

366
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they really that excited

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if it's a cover story for something else

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it's a really bad cover story you know

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uh yeah and talking to someone like uh

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jesse marcel's

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grandchildren he doesn't seem like the

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kind of guy that would participate in

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creating kind of

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that kind of cockamamie for backup like

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a better word right

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and usually a cover story and i've used

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them myself in the field

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to protect uh sources and methods is hey

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like

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we want attention to go away these

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aren't the droids you're looking for

382
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right so yeah

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so that the government would say hey we

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got this and the thing and now it

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suddenly attracted

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world attention to if it was just a top

387
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secret research program well now you've

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kind of

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made the whole situation worse so that

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really jumped out at me and seemed like

391
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an anomaly in terms of national security

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practice

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although this is in the early phases of

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sort of the national security regime

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after world war ii

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the government's still learning a lot

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and how to develop and protect secrets

398
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but um

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it just seemed like a just the wrong

400
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step at the wrong time

401
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it really does and i know we talked a

402
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little bit off air and you know that was

403
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my comment to you as well that i thought

404
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that was you know why would

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why on earth would they say they

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captured a flying disc

407
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you know i mean it doesn't even all it's

408
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going to do is like you said draw

409
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attention

410
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if they were trying to cover it up

411
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another story up with it

412
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right no not a good idea because uh

413
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you know it when you know the viral

414
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wasn't even a word

415
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used when it came to this thing but it

416
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went everywhere right and

417
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the you know what the mystery one of the

418
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big mysteries of this

419
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is to me and and and i don't know if you

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agree with me or not but

421
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that this thing just went quiet until

422
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you know like 1980 i mean totally quiet

423
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you never heard anyone talking about

424
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roswell anyone that's been

425
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was in the ufo field all that time ahead

426
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of time

427
00:14:21,030 --> 00:14:20,720
you know uh right may have never heard

428
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about

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roswell if they grew up like if they

430
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:25,519
were paying attention to the roswell

431
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in the 60s and 70s and until 1980 they

432
00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:31,760
never heard of roswell

433
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and yeah that was a confusing um not

434
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confusing but

435
00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:37,360
a question that i had why you know

436
00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:38,880
researchers like don schmidt and kevin

437
00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:40,160
randall and stanton friedman and

438
00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:41,040
everyone else you know

439
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:42,480
this is a serious government cover-up

440
00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:44,320
there were abuses of constitutional

441
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rights there were threats to

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families and um and careers

443
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um which could could make for that kind

444
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of effective silence

445
00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,639
um but what else could it be

446
00:14:59,750 --> 00:14:58,320
you know i'm still in the midst of

447
00:15:02,629 --> 00:14:59,760
figuring that out

448
00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:02,639
and why would they why would they be so

449
00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:03,279
um

450
00:15:07,350 --> 00:15:05,519
forceful if it was just a weather

451
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:07,360
balloon you know with these people

452
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,120
right they threaten these people because

453
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:10,959
of a weather balloon

454
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:14,079
or or you know a mogul even i mean

455
00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:15,519
it because they wouldn't know what it

456
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was if even if they found

457
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one of the moguls and so this is a time

458
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where the government has

459
00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:24,320
basically lied to the people four or

460
00:15:29,990 --> 00:15:26,959
five times when it comes to roswell

461
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and do you find that unusual or in with

462
00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:32,000
your background do you

463
00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:33,839
yeah that's certainly a changing story

464
00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:35,440
is always a sign of deception right i

465
00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:36,639
mean that's the first thing that police

466
00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:38,240
do when they question witnesses

467
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:41,040
is um you know they like to evaluate the

468
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changes to their story over time with

469
00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:44,000
more questions uh

470
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and you know that's in the case of our

471
00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:47,040
government that's happened

472
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multiple times as you said and the

473
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latest you know the latest word as of

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the

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force

476
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wasn't convincing either right the other

477
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they couldn't produce

478
00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:01,839
physical evidence they could just make

479
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:02,800
best guesses

480
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:05,199
um so that's not convincing either so

481
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:05,920
you know

482
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i'm a big supporter of the government

483
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:09,040
and a lot of national security programs

484
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that they have

485
00:16:13,509 --> 00:16:12,000
but sometimes you got to own up to the

486
00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:13,519
problems that you create and

487
00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:15,680
i think taking this seriously and the

488
00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:17,199
public's response to

489
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:20,560
the rockwell report um requires you know

490
00:16:23,189 --> 00:16:21,600
more immediacy

491
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and more seriousness from the government

492
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um i know the air the air force did its

493
00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:25,839
job

494
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:27,519
you know i'm pretty convinced by the

495
00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:28,800
report that they did their best to find

496
00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:30,399
documents but there's some shady

497
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:31,920
circumstances but they're the only ones

498
00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,839
who really took it seriously so

499
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i would like to see that kind of effort

500
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among multiple agencies

501
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:40,240
well there's something a little

502
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confusing to me and

503
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and i don't know if it was ever cleared

504
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:45,199
up with all the research and all the

505
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:46,079
work you've done

506
00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:48,639
on this but i'm still confused about

507
00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:50,639
this i try to get clear answers from

508
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:51,839
like don schmidt

509
00:16:59,189 --> 00:16:55,600
and kevin randle on this and that is

510
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:59,199
the the bodies you know

511
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:02,079
where were the bodies were not in the

512
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middle of the debris but

513
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:06,559
people claim they saw bodies um and

514
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they're supposedly

515
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on another so many miles away there was

516
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another

517
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right

518
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:17,199
which is really i've never really gotten

519
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:18,000
a clear answer

520
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,959
on any of that that's something we uh

521
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,640
you know we started ground zero in

522
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,720
the investigation uh starting on

523
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:26,480
saturday so tune in uh but

524
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:28,880
is look uh let's start at ground zero

525
00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:31,039
the the known debris field established

526
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:31,360
by

527
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:34,480
back brazil and jesse marcel

528
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:36,960
and sheridan cavett and the original

529
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,480
crew of witnesses who went out to that

530
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,640
debris field and handled it

531
00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:42,720
and then branch out from there to see

532
00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:44,720
where this investigations take us now

533
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:47,200
eventually we do consider and weigh

534
00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:48,160
other possible

535
00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:50,720
uh crash zones you know the debris field

536
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:52,160
as it's known is called the skip site

537
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:52,799
where

538
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:55,360
uh some theorists uh suggest that you

539
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:56,000
know

540
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:57,360
something made impact with the earth

541
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,880
scattered debris and continued its

542
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:00,160
trajectory across

543
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,520
you know some miles uh east so uh

544
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:04,960
you know when we're looking for evidence

545
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:06,480
you know we're opening our aperture

546
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:08,400
pretty wide but we're starting at that

547
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,400
debris field um and that is something

548
00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:12,000
you know those those

549
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:14,720
uh the reports of bodies come in the

550
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:15,520
years later

551
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:17,840
um we don't have even jesse marcel

552
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:18,880
although he

553
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:20,880
um eventually kind of suspects and

554
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:22,880
believes that there were bodies involved

555
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:25,120
um he doesn't ever say he saw them which

556
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:26,240
was an interesting

557
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:29,919
sort of um foundation for me and

558
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:32,480
and why myself and bungalow and his

559
00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,760
bungalow entertainment the production

560
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:35,520
company in history decided to focus

561
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,559
at first on jesse marcel senior

562
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:40,240
and then you know there's the situation

563
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:41,600
where they say they ordered

564
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:44,400
child sized coffins at the funeral

565
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:45,360
funeral home

566
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:48,160
and yeah the nurse that saw the bodies

567
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and

568
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:59,280
unscramble what really happened

569
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:01,360
and then what do you think uh you know

570
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:03,280
it's it's almost like the whole thing is

571
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:03,919
begun

572
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:07,760
going to become as time goes on

573
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:10,320
um unless there you know we actually

574
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:12,000
know that we are being visited

575
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:13,760
if it stays the way it is and time goes

576
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,760
on roswell has turned into

577
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,080
you know a parade in the summer and you

578
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:19,919
know people wearing tinfoil hats and you

579
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:20,240
know

580
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:23,440
it it gets crazy and um

581
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:25,679
and i think it just kind of muddies the

582
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,440
water for the

583
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,039
for you know what could have happened

584
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,280
there yeah that uh

585
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,280
it is an interesting part and why it

586
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,600
makes it like um

587
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,520
not a touchy subject but one that that

588
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:39,600
doesn't weigh with a lot of credibility

589
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,039
in terms of like mainstream

590
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,160
journalism and scientific uh outlets and

591
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:46,480
and publications uh is because sort of

592
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,840
the pageantry that's sort of uh evolved

593
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:51,039
out of this this

594
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:54,640
this mythology regardless of if an alien

595
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,880
ufo crash really happened there there's

596
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:59,039
a mythology now that detracts from sort

597
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:00,559
of something that can and some people's

598
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:03,280
eyes are distract from the real um

599
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:04,960
from the real investigation but at the

600
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,960
same time that's a fun part and it's

601
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:08,320
creating its own culture and

602
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:10,159
it will it may have its own dividends

603
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:11,600
later on and we talked about jesse

604
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:12,640
marcel senior

605
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:15,039
or i'm sorry the third and his new

606
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:16,480
propulsion gyro

607
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,320
gyro motion propulsion system you know

608
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,039
inspired by the events and the creative

609
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,880
culture that sprung out of

610
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:27,360
1947 regardless of what crash there so i

611
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,480
think there's

612
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,960
there's value in in weighing waiting

613
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:33,120
into this territory and really embracing

614
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,120
kind of the weird but also

615
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,919
the the rigorous uh analysis and finding

616
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:39,840
a way to marry those together and that's

617
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:40,880
what we tried to do

618
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,080
in the show just one last question how

619
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:45,760
did you how were you able to film that

620
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,559
with the the covet situation

621
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,880
so it did impact uh the later stages of

622
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:52,400
our investigation fortunately we had

623
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:53,440
done most of

624
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:56,400
um our heavy lifting before uh uh

625
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:56,880
through

626
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:59,840
february mid-march and then we had to

627
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,240
put

628
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,720
some plans on hold so we didn't get to

629
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:04,159
chase all of the leads

630
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,679
so that's why i'm hoping this show is a

631
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,960
big success and you're in your viewers

632
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,559
tune in because uh

633
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,240
with more viewership we get more

634
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:12,080
resources and we can continue to

635
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,280
continue the search for

636
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:15,919
um a conclusive you know evidence the

637
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:16,960
smoking gun

638
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,840
i think we're we've tipped the scales uh

639
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,720
and

640
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,880
we are pushing forward with compelling

641
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:23,840
arguments and

642
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:26,080
and evidence but um it's not over and

643
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:27,039
covid kind of

644
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,480
took a hit in some of the witnesses i

645
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:30,799
want in meeting it took a hit and i

646
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:31,760
wasn't able to meet some of the

647
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:32,400
witnesses

648
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:35,440
i wanted to meet um and you know doing

649
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,159
things

650
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:38,640
virtually as an intelligence office

651
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,159
former intelligence officer

652
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,760
is not always optimal in terms when you

653
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:43,039
want to really just sit across from

654
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:43,679
somebody

655
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:46,559
and and hear their story and and feel

656
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:47,280
and

657
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,360
how you

658
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,760
evaluate this kind of intelligence yeah

659
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:55,840
zoom it's not going to work on zoom

660
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,200
yes it's harder yeah uh thanks so much

661
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:01,280
and one more plug it's coming up this uh

662
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,159
saturday and

663
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:04,240
just the name and title of the show in

664
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,520
the history channel

665
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,000
call one more yeah yeah so the show is

666
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,679
called roswell the first witness

667
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:11,760
it airs on history channel at 9 00 p.m

668
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,799
on saturday

669
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:15,120
that's uh this coming december 12th it's

670
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:15,919
it's three

671
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:18,640
uh three two hours special so six hours

672
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,360
total

673
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,360
and uh you're gonna see new evidence and

674
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,280
new um technology

675
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,440
applied to this problem this question

676
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,960
for that you've never seen before so

677
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,000
it's pretty exciting

678
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:30,720
and we got drones and everything drones

679
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,039
yeah

680
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:33,039
you know you name it cryptography you

681
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:34,480
know any kind of cool stuff

682
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,200
we're bringing it yeah excellent thanks

683
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,120
so much i really appreciate it and

684
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,760
thank you i hope it does real well i

685
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:43,280
appreciate it appreciate all right

686
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:46,480
take care all right our next guest

687
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:50,240
is uh whoops is uh bro uh i'm sorry

688
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,320
uh major retired uh david tune and

689
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:57,440
uh he is a last minute guy he was so

690
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:58,480
nice to be

691
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:01,440
uh coming on the show and uh i'm so glad

692
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,559
to have him on

693
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,280
welcome to the show whoops thank you i

694
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:06,640
got a right side of you here

695
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,840
yeah all right how are you doing great

696
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,039
how about yourself martin

697
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,960
i'm doing great thanks so much for

698
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,120
filling in at the last minute it really

699
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,679
oh boy that was a close one that's the

700
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:19,360
one thing about doing a live show you

701
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,240
never

702
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,039
if someone falls uh um you know she has

703
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,880
migraine headache and she can't she

704
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,480
couldn't be on the show and

705
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,799
and i wouldn't want her to be uh feeling

706
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,080
that way so

707
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,080
anyway i was so glad uh you were willing

708
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,760
to just jump on

709
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:36,720
and put everything else aside and thanks

710
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,280
again

711
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,600
so let's uh let's hear your your you've

712
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,880
got quite a background

713
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,559
and you've only been really looking into

714
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:44,080
this topic for about three years but

715
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,799
let's uh

716
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,559
let's hear let's hear about your

717
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,400
background well i'm

718
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:51,039
originally from phoenix arizona so i

719
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,159
grew up in the desert

720
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,200
and uh started my military career i had

721
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,200
about 18.

722
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,360
i apologized i got married at 18 started

723
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,679
my military career about 22

724
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:04,000
and had a family going into the military

725
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,039
and

726
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,640
um as a kid i thought ufos are cool

727
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,480
uh i think i bought one of the first

728
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:11,679
issues of uh

729
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,799
chariots of the gods and uh yeah

730
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,039
and spent my spent my summers up in

731
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,279
sedona i was fortunate enough to have a

732
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,720
family and aunt and uncle who owned some

733
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,200
land up there that

734
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:26,640
afforded me the time to play around the

735
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,200
creek area and run up and down the hills

736
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,799
for many summers through my high school

737
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,520
years and only to find out later it's

738
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,919
you know the central vortex city it's

739
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:37,840
it's it's where everything happens

740
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,960
uh on a paranormal and spiritual level

741
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,960
uh i just thought it was beautiful the

742
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,799
mountains and such but uh

743
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,240
kind of grew up that way got in the

744
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:47,840
military um

745
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,679
early on and jumped into the army

746
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,480
i was in military intelligence and the

747
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,600
uh

748
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:58,400
the job i was doing at the time was 33

749
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,039
sierra

750
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,600
for the mos which is an intercept

751
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:03,440
systems tactical repair

752
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,520
and it dealt with just fixing stuff

753
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:10,159
all the army gear that they had and so i

754
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,200
was

755
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,440
fortunate enough to go through some

756
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:15,440
training at fort devon's massachusetts

757
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,720
when it was the intelligence school for

758
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:17,600
the army at the time

759
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:20,799
back in 1984

760
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,400
and i was there from 84 to 85 and uh

761
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,039
came out of that did five years pretty

762
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,720
much four and a half years at

763
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,799
fort ord california working for the

764
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:33,919
107th military intelligence unit there

765
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:37,440
and decided to try to get out

766
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,559
and you know raise a family in san jose

767
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:42,000
because i was offered a job at harris

768
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,200
corp

769
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:45,279
and uh once they pulled me in the back

770
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,480
and said hey we're gonna offer you this

771
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:48,799
job but you got to know what the pay is

772
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:52,240
and described the cost of living

773
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,840
for san jose yeah

774
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,360
just turns out it didn't work out the

775
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,520
numbers didn't work out yeah

776
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,919
i said thank you very much uh but i'm

777
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,039
gonna have to

778
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,200
stay in at this point and this is kind

779
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,799
of the jimmy carter years where things

780
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:08,400
are pretty bad

781
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:12,000
and so i decided to raise my hand and

782
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,400
put in

783
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,600
six more on top of the four i just did

784
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,480
and it um turns out that started my

785
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:19,440
22-year

786
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:22,799
army career but um

787
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:25,760
after about a year of raising my hand

788
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,400
and

789
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:29,120
coming back in re-enlisting i decided i

790
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:29,760
want to go

791
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,799
fly helicopters so i told my

792
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,960
my first sergeant commander hey i want

793
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:36,640
to go to flight school and they laugh

794
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,279
they go

795
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,000
sure go ahead fill out the paperwork and

796
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:41,520
uh good luck

797
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,799
and so uh i did and uh got in

798
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,679
make a long story short and uh left

799
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,279
military intelligence went into

800
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,679
uh aviation school at fort rucker

801
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,279
alabama

802
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,320
and this was uh back in 1990 91 and time

803
00:27:03,590 --> 00:26:58,720
frame because it was about a year long

804
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,600
and spent the next 17 years

805
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:06,720
both active duty national guard flying

806
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,400
hueys scouts apaches made the rank of

807
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,799
major on the lieutenant's kernel list

808
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:14,720
before i retired

809
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,399
and that pretty much brings us up to

810
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:21,200
2006 when i retired

811
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,559
and still i didn't have a whole n1

812
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,600
combat tour

813
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,279
in iraq but still didn't have a whole

814
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,480
lot of connection to ufos

815
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:33,600
just a just a mild background

816
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,399
fascination with them but being a pilot

817
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,559
you know you kind of appreciate

818
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:41,279
trying to avoid things in the sky so let

819
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,399
me ask you this

820
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,640
um did you have to did you have to fly a

821
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:45,600
small plane

822
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,919
before you before you actually went into

823
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:49,919
the helicopter or was it directly

824
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,200
direct wow yeah i i did on my own i did

825
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:55,279
about 20 hours in an assassin i'm 150

826
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,320
152

827
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,960
in fort ord california this is when i

828
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,720
was a specialist i just couldn't afford

829
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,320
it i'll be honest it

830
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,440
flying costs money yeah it does yeah i i

831
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,880
took private lessons yeah

832
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:08,960
yeah yeah my wife said hey you know that

833
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,789
i failed to remember that she goes it

834
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,039
would be nice if it happened again

835
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:19,120
yeah i quit my flying lessons to say the

836
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,159
least yeah

837
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,600
um but that's that's only time i put in

838
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,159
uh for a fixed wing and uh it was years

839
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:28,159
later before i got into the military and

840
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,600
they

841
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,960
put you right into helicopter training

842
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:33,440
and off i went

843
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:36,399
wow i've always always had like a dream

844
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,960
of

845
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,960
flying a helicopter or nothing i know

846
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,000
i'll never do it

847
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:42,799
but it it just it it was uh when i was

848
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,520
younger i

849
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,520
just thought oh my god i'd love to love

850
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:47,120
to fly one of those

851
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,240
and you know there's a couple of

852
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,399
misconceptions tell me if i'm wrong

853
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,960
you know the the misconception is if

854
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,720
something happens in the air like the

855
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,000
engine stalls or whatever

856
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:58,159
that you drop like a rock but you don't

857
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,039
it's like that

858
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,480
the blade will move and it's slow it

859
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,760
slows down the

860
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,520
you know i mean it's called auto

861
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:07,600
rotation exactly yeah

862
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,799
and uh that's what saves you yeah and

863
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,320
you know another thing um

864
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,320
that a lot of people don't realize and

865
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,840
when they first started developing

866
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,120
helicopters

867
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:19,039
they had one blade would go right after

868
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,480
the other and then i forget what it's

869
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:22,720
called but there was like an air pocket

870
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:25,760
and um you know how they rotate they'll

871
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:26,399
rotate

872
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,159
wouldn't work

873
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:32,880
it was just one simple design that made

874
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:33,600
a

875
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,320
do you just

876
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:51,919
you just have so much training first

877
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,399
that you you feel confident

878
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,840
the army does a really good job of

879
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:58,720
training uh that's that's what they do

880
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,919
so stimulators yeah they have a lot of

881
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,039
that time too

882
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,760
yeah but uh it was they it's kind of

883
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,720
like

884
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:09,520
you're your parents just throwing you in

885
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:10,080
the water

886
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:11,039
in a pool and you think you're gonna

887
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:12,320
drown but you're really you know

888
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:13,200
paddling to

889
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,320
keep your head above water and that's

890
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,399
called swimming um

891
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,039
the army kind of does that uh except

892
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,039
they're very meticulous on

893
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,919
when they set that scenario up for you

894
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,720
so

895
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,880
you're kind of ready for it i know that

896
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,240
the first

897
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:30,000
first time they pulled the power on me

898
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,440
and said oh you know we're gonna

899
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,200
we're gonna try an auto rotation

900
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,520
conceptually i think i had it

901
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,159
figured out but when the aircraft

902
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,159
started to fall like a rock

903
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,200
i realized this elevator is not going to

904
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,360
make it

905
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:48,159
and they just gently walk you through

906
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,120
the process

907
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,120
and pretty soon you realize man this is

908
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:52,960
the safest safest maneuver

909
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:55,520
ever because i don't need a runway i

910
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:56,159
just need

911
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,600
you know a little bit of land and um

912
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,519
and some skill and they provide the

913
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:02,960
skill set for you

914
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:05,360
right right have you ever heard about

915
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:06,480
the um

916
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:10,720
the coin uh ufo sighting

917
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,000
uh with the helicopter

918
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,279
that now that that was something else um

919
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:19,200
i was trying to see when exactly that

920
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,320
happened

921
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,640
and uh yeah have you looked into that

922
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,240
that particular case

923
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:27,120
not much uh funny you should ask that it

924
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:29,600
wasn't until i got

925
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,799
um out of the military and i s

926
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,440
this is still part of my my story but at

927
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:37,679
in 2006 i got in the military but then i

928
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,799
turned right around and went back to

929
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,720
iraq and afghanistan as a contractor for

930
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:41,760
seven more years

931
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,559
oh wow and uh so i did a little bit of

932
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:46,480
logistics a little bit of aerostat

933
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:47,360
flying

934
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,039
um and my wife said you know

935
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,960
it's probably time to come home be nice

936
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:54,240
to see you i'm like

937
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,519
okay maybe it is time and uh so she

938
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,120
talked me into coming back home

939
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:01,279
and i said one let me try one more

940
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,159
contract

941
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,960
i wanted to fly uh drones and i said

942
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,240
well i've got plenty of

943
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:08,159
you know flight time and i've got a

944
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,760
combat tour i

945
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,840
should be able to fly a drone right it's

946
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:13,440
their aircraft

947
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:15,760
so i went to a navmar to set up an

948
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,159
interview to fly drones in 2000

949
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:21,600
into 2000 so what was that

950
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,440
no 2012 and 2013

951
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:28,080
and i didn't do well it turns out they

952
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,039
want you to fly off a little rc

953
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,559
uh controller with your thumbs and uh

954
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,159
i said you know what that makes a ton of

955
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,000
sense i thought i was you know

956
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,679
doing an interview for mission commander

957
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,000
but they wanted a pilot

958
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,360
so they put a drone over me and um

959
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,600
at about 5000 feet and gave me this rc

960
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,120
box and said hey can you fly this in

961
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,360
circles and can you make it land

962
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,279
and uh they said oh by the way the the

963
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,679
drone cost a quarter million

964
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,320
be careful with it and i've been human

965
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,320
in august it's yuma there's

966
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,880
there's such convective activity there's

967
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,320
dust devils everywhere

968
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:06,000
and even the uh computer couldn't hold

969
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:07,279
this drone straight while we were

970
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,480
sitting there chatting

971
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,000
you see all the chip lights going off

972
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,919
and all the warning for altitude

973
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,519
they expect me to do a perfect circle

974
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:15,679
left and right so he has me the box

975
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,320
i'm all over the sky i didn't crash it

976
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,760
but uh i was pretty sure they weren't

977
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,640
gonna call me

978
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:23,279
so on the way back home from from humid

979
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,320
to phoenix

980
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,240
i told my wife i said um they're not

981
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,679
calling me i know why

982
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,399
i didn't do well on the flight and uh

983
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,480
she said well why don't you join them

984
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,320
and i started giggling and i go how do

985
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:35,679
you know what that means she goes well

986
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:36,559
learn it

987
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:39,279
i said okay she goes go to school again

988
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,679
i mean

989
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,760
you got a degree but get another one but

990
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:43,440
do it in drones this time

991
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,640
because you like that stuff you like

992
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,880
flying i said yeah it's not a bad idea

993
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,799
so i chose every riddle aeronautical

994
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,360
university out of daytona beach

995
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,640
and um 2013 started school there

996
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,880
and got my second bachelor's of science

997
00:34:05,269 --> 00:33:57,919
in

998
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,279
unmanned aircraft systems and uh

999
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:07,760
the economy wasn't doing real well still

1000
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:08,480
and uh

1001
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:11,679
i started decided to stay for masters uh

1002
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,800
did a human factors masters

1003
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:17,200
economy still wasn't quite right i did a

1004
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,240
masters in

1005
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:21,119
aeronautics with space studies um and

1006
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,159
then i found a job

1007
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,320
in uh 2000. wow you could have just kept

1008
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,679
going to school

1009
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,240
yeah really i only had so much time

1010
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,599
uncle sam only pays for like four and a

1011
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,960
half years so i had to pack all that

1012
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,240
into four and a half years

1013
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,520
oh wow but um the longest

1014
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,839
in the short of it is in 2015 after

1015
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:40,079
about a year and a half of being in

1016
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,119
school for unmanned aircraft systems

1017
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,679
um i checked the weather and was going

1018
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:47,040
to go to schools in january and i

1019
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,599
thought well

1020
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,679
i'm in florida weather changes all the

1021
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,800
time i didn't know if i was going to

1022
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,919
need an umbrella

1023
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,440
so i did that little weather loop you

1024
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,599
see sometimes on the weather charts

1025
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,280
give you a four hour loop of where the

1026
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,599
clouds are going and oh yeah

1027
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,359
and i was just looking at that but it

1028
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:03,440
was a clear day and on the

1029
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,560
on the radar screen there

1030
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,000
it was completely clear in the four-hour

1031
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:10,640
loop except midway through

1032
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,599
you could see five macro bursts hit

1033
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,119
florida out of the blue

1034
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,520
there's no clouds near anywhere and a

1035
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,160
micro burst usually comes out of a cloud

1036
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,640
that's past maturation that's falling

1037
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,320
through it's collapsing

1038
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,320
and a microburst is like a real high

1039
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,240
wind straight down

1040
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,480
yeah and it can just knock trees right

1041
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:31,599
flat

1042
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:34,960
including aircraft people yeah

1043
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,839
so they have uh microburst detection

1044
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,440
systems around airports just for that

1045
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:40,720
reason because the planes are coming in

1046
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,440
low

1047
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,040
yeah and you don't want to be pushed to

1048
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,040
the ground faster than you expected

1049
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,160
so they they do that tracking but uh

1050
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,280
on this day i even have it on my youtube

1051
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:52,880
channel on this day i have a little

1052
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,760
loop showing these five macro rings

1053
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:57,200
they're not micro micro is pretty small

1054
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,640
a couple miles out when the

1055
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,960
when the air hits it blows out and you

1056
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,560
know it does its thing for about 10-15

1057
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,320
minutes ruins lots of stuff

1058
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:07,680
but these are 50 to 100 mile diameter

1059
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,760
cloud sets and and all at the same time

1060
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,640
it wasn't just

1061
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,040
a single burst clear or burst it was

1062
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:16,800
five different places

1063
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,160
so i i went to school and i'm looking

1064
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,760
around and showed my buddies what i

1065
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:23,359
would have recorded and i said have you

1066
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,320
ever seen this because it

1067
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,000
at every riddle you're surrounded by

1068
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,240
pilots or pilot wannabes

1069
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:30,720
and um they said man that's that's

1070
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,280
really

1071
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,359
weird and i said yeah it doesn't make

1072
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:35,440
sense because it's nothing local

1073
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:38,560
so it has to be spatial like

1074
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,839
solar wind so i went to spaceweather.com

1075
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,560
and started

1076
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,800
looking at the loops of the satellite

1077
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:46,960
solar satellite systems that are

1078
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,520
um checking for cmes that are or bursts

1079
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:50,640
that are coming our way

1080
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,240
and that's how they track them and um

1081
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:57,599
it was a calm calm day on the sun

1082
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:00,640
for that time period however

1083
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,480
during that 98 image loop for the day

1084
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,079
i think it's every 15 minutes it took an

1085
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,680
image you would see

1086
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,240
not only just the stars and some cosmic

1087
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:11,760
rays but

1088
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:15,599
just odd things uh artifacts that

1089
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,560
i wasn't real familiar with so i caught

1090
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:20,000
a couple of them and took them to the

1091
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:21,280
astrophysics guys

1092
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:24,400
up on the third floor

1093
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:27,280
besides building i was going through and

1094
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,640
introduced myself and said hey i got

1095
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:30,320
some really crazy pictures does anybody

1096
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:30,800
know

1097
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,760
anything about the soho satellite and

1098
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,440
one of the professors wheeled out of his

1099
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,000
office and said

1100
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,200
i do and apparently he was uh

1101
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:41,359
he had worked with that type of

1102
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,400
apparatus

1103
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,760
so we sat down and looked at some of the

1104
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,599
pictures it's just uh

1105
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,520
pardon me for interrupting you but is

1106
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,680
this one of the pictures that you sent

1107
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:50,400
me

1108
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:54,240
like uh like here's this one yeah yes

1109
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,680
and so yeah i showed him ten pictures

1110
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:58,720
and he said no

1111
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,079
none of those are uh weird

1112
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,160
however the two of them were kind of

1113
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:06,320
strange and i said that's what i thought

1114
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,599
actually i thought all of more strange

1115
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:09,200
but he said you got two of them that i

1116
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,480
can't explain

1117
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,839
i said that's all i needed to hear so i

1118
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,960
went back home and started looking

1119
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:14,560
through the archives again

1120
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:18,079
nasa soho archives and about a year

1121
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,040
later that picture

1122
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,599
that you just showed is what i found it

1123
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,200
happened to be on the same

1124
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,680
date as my uh my daughter's birthday

1125
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:27,520
february 1st

1126
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,640
but i think it's 1996 or 97

1127
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,800
but the odd thing about this is this

1128
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,680
camera

1129
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:36,079
uh is the c2 sensor on the soho

1130
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:37,280
satellite

1131
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:41,119
miles away from earth it's not near the

1132
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,680
moon

1133
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:43,599
it's not near earth it's not near space

1134
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,640
debris it's just looking at the sun

1135
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,640
between us and earth it looks at the sun

1136
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,400
a million miles away from earth stays in

1137
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,000
orbit with us

1138
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,359
but that that pear-shaped series

1139
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,440
of lights should not be near the

1140
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:58,960
satellite

1141
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,240
yet it was and

1142
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,680
you actually think that was near the

1143
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,720
satellite i mean it's so hard to tell

1144
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,320
well what i did on this picture is i

1145
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,240
zoomed in to the side of the sun

1146
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,800
this picture is a zoom cropped portion

1147
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,000
there should be the sun right in the

1148
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:15,520
middle of this picture

1149
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,640
um so the sun on this case is off to the

1150
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,079
left

1151
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,880
um and this is just the edge of the

1152
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,079
photo itself

1153
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,720
from nasa every picture has the sun

1154
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,560
right dead center and has this uh

1155
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,560
disc that blocks the light on a c2

1156
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,320
center i've seen that yeah just shows

1157
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,240
the the cme is popping off the sun

1158
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,839
surface and so that's really the

1159
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,599
function of it but

1160
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,680
in its redness if you look off to the

1161
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:40,960
edge of the frame

1162
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,589
too organized too structured

1163
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,680
for a comet comets don't have landing

1164
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,440
lights or running lights

1165
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,440
and asteroids pretty much don't either

1166
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:57,359
so when this thing showed up

1167
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,960
i knew i had found what i was looking

1168
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,800
for um

1169
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,400
and then i spent three days not talking

1170
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,319
to anybody i didn't know

1171
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,880
what to do with it so and i found the

1172
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,480
crime i found the crime scene

1173
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,200
i just didn't know who to tell so i just

1174
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,880
started collecting more of them

1175
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,839
and that's what started my journey in

1176
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,599
not only mufon i joined mufon

1177
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,880
immediately in 2015 to to

1178
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,319
start sharing some of the stuff i was

1179
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,720
saying with that community

1180
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,280
and also to continue my research while i

1181
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,599
was at embry

1182
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:32,480
and when when uh when you're sharing

1183
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,520
this with

1184
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,640
say the ufo community what

1185
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,800
what happens i mean what is the what's

1186
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,280
the response

1187
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,400
um normally

1188
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:46,880
the first thing i get is wow or you hear

1189
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,520
people talking amongst themselves

1190
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:52,000
it's a little bit of a shock factor

1191
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,280
because once you understand the

1192
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:55,040
orientation the context of these

1193
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:56,400
pictures

1194
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,240
you realize that's not one of ours

1195
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,079
it's organized we don't have anything

1196
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:03,599
that goes a million miles out

1197
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,839
and back we just have satellite sitting

1198
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,280
out there

1199
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:10,079
and um i sent you some samples of the

1200
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,599
stereo a

1201
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,599
satellite it's there's also a stereo b

1202
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:15,040
which they sent out in opposite

1203
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:15,839
directions

1204
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,200
sure but um yeah those are like pictures

1205
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,119
i sent you were at a time that there was

1206
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,240
about 64 million miles away from earth

1207
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,200
is this uh is this one of them uh that

1208
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,800
is the sdo

1209
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,200
uh that's that orbits around the earth

1210
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:33,040
but it's a 4k system it has the best

1211
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,160
clarity

1212
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,880
there you go that's that's a stereo

1213
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:37,440
picture

1214
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,480
and that's right next to the sun um

1215
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,119
and so there's some there's some really

1216
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,640
interesting

1217
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,359
artifacts and images that have objects

1218
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:50,000
in them that are hard to

1219
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,839
describe and um

1220
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,160
i don't know that's right i'm trying to

1221
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,520
tell people what the story is behind it

1222
00:42:03,349 --> 00:41:59,280
because i don't even know what they are

1223
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:03,359
now about um uh is this the uh satellite

1224
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,280
i mean is that a satellite image yes yes

1225
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,280
that's perfect so that blocks out the

1226
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,800
sun and you can just see what's going on

1227
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,920
in the very

1228
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:14,160
on the corona or whatever it is right on

1229
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,520
the very edge of the sun

1230
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,119
exactly that's a little bit zoomed in

1231
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:18,960
too because the artif

1232
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,079
the when you go into the soho

1233
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:25,359
or even the uh sdoc 2 sided things

1234
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:26,000
you'll

1235
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,000
frame

1236
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:32,480
so the sun and the obelisk that blocks

1237
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,359
the sun

1238
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,359
and you'll see pretty far out on both

1239
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:36,560
sides

1240
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:41,119
i think it's about a oh 1.2 million mile

1241
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:41,760
spread

1242
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,480
within the frame given the context of

1243
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:45,839
the sun

1244
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,119
and so the edge of it is when it

1245
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:51,119
captures an image next to the edge of

1246
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,680
the frame

1247
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,440
you don't know because it's not

1248
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:55,119
interacting with the sun's surface you

1249
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,000
don't know

1250
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,640
how close it is to the satellite because

1251
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:00,319
there's no range finders

1252
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,680
it just simply takes a picture but i

1253
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:06,319
do have some photos within the grouping

1254
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,520
that i've got

1255
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,880
that shows some of these things

1256
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,440
interacting with the sun surface

1257
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:13,680
and it's disturbing to say the least so

1258
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,560
then you know it's

1259
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,880
93 million miles away and it's sitting

1260
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,400
messing with the sun

1261
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,160
so let me let me ask you this it's so

1262
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,920
it's 93

1263
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,079
million miles away or 92 point something

1264
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:25,359
whatever it is

1265
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:28,480
and uh if something is

1266
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,680
close to the sun though it's going to

1267
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,720
react in i mean with the temperature i

1268
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,400
mean if you're if you're only a million

1269
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,160
miles away from the sun you're fried

1270
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,520
for the most part um with the technology

1271
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,720
we have

1272
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,200
uh that was true 10 years ago the parker

1273
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,960
probe can get within 4 million miles of

1274
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,560
the sun and it's doing so right now as

1275
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,520
we speak

1276
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:52,160
really wow we have technology that can

1277
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,880
handle

1278
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,359
the space environment at 4 million miles

1279
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:56,800
and the higher temperatures and still

1280
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,440
keep

1281
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,760
the instruments at room temperature that

1282
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:01,200
we consider room temperature they're

1283
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,599
safe

1284
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,160
it's amazing so if we can do that after

1285
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,640
100 years of flight

1286
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,640
pretty sure something more intelligent

1287
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:09,760
than us

1288
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,880
has got even cooler stuff and and

1289
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,720
let's just say devil's advocate that

1290
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:15,920
it's

1291
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,119
this

1292
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,920
um behind the wheel so to speak right

1293
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,200
what

1294
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,319
um any idea why they would want to be

1295
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,720
near the sun why what they would get

1296
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:29,920
besides energy

1297
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:33,040
from the sun i think that's all they

1298
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,119
are doing it for here's here's a

1299
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:39,119
two hypothesis i've come up with in five

1300
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:40,319
years even did

1301
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:43,599
a master's paper on it um

1302
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:47,200
the there is a

1303
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,000
a likelihood that given the dark

1304
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,440
programs

1305
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:54,160
that are within the military and uh in

1306
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,560
the

1307
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,000
military industrial complex that

1308
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:57,599
eisenhower warned us about

1309
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,359
yeah um their advancements

1310
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:04,560
have been so logarithmic

1311
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:07,920
from the roswell crash forward that

1312
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,119
when ben rich the ceo of skunk

1313
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,200
works passed away a few years back and

1314
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,560
said oh by the way we have the

1315
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,560
technology to take e.t home

1316
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,440
yeah i believed him i believe that

1317
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:20,800
statement

1318
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,640
and given that it was

1319
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,160
here's the two things it's either

1320
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,000
intelligent life that we don't control

1321
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,560
or we have set up drones that can do the

1322
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:32,880
same thing that we've learned

1323
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,000
from reverse engineering their craft

1324
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:39,040
that have crashed on our planet so i

1325
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,839
don't think

1326
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,839
astronauts are running out there and

1327
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,839
running to the stars but i do think we

1328
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:44,720
have

1329
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,319
drones that do everything like that

1330
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:51,599
you really think so wow yeah and i mean

1331
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:54,560
i know they say that we won't know about

1332
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:55,520
something

1333
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:59,119
until like 15 years later on average

1334
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,160
yeah it's probably a little more than

1335
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,920
that yep yep when it comes to

1336
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,200
experimental

1337
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:06,000
but i i don't uh again it's it's it's

1338
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,359
it's hard to fathom why

1339
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,960
someone would want to go out near hang

1340
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,280
out near the sun

1341
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:14,079
well think of it this way if um being a

1342
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,640
pilot

1343
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,280
i think this way if if i were star

1344
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,880
traveling that's how you

1345
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:21,359
get to the next destination as you focus

1346
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,880
on a star it's kind of what they did in

1347
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,800
star trek

1348
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,400
you know they go to different star

1349
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,079
systems or planets and regions and the

1350
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,680
only way you find that is with

1351
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:32,720
stars we we navigate the seas

1352
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,560
using stars some some pilots even c-17

1353
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:37,920
pilots i know

1354
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:41,119
would navigate their craft with stars

1355
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,079
so if you're in space it's no different

1356
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,680
if you're exploring a galaxy like ours

1357
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:50,079
you simply identify where you're going

1358
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,040
through the star

1359
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,520
system and or star particular like

1360
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,599
proxima a

1361
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,200
and set your course for that once you

1362
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,119
get there it's

1363
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,640
it's real possible depending on your

1364
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,640
level intelligence and advancement in

1365
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,079
this galaxy

1366
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,079
you may need a refuel i don't i don't

1367
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,839
know what the economy is on some of

1368
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,440
these ships

1369
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:12,160
because i haven't had a ride on one yet

1370
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:12,880
but i've

1371
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,079
i've heard of a few folks that have so i

1372
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,440
i don't know what i don't know but

1373
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,920
when i catch something near the sun or

1374
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:24,160
within the archives of nasa

1375
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,319
imagery then i'm pretty sure

1376
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,640
i'm on the right track i just don't know

1377
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,400
if i'm seeing a ford or a chevy because

1378
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,640
i don't know who's driving these things

1379
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,880
well have you been has have you brought

1380
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,800
this up and someone has argued

1381
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,040
saying you know this is some type of

1382
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,880
natural anomaly

1383
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:45,839
oh sure um one of the papers i had to do

1384
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:46,160
was

1385
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:49,359
artifacts that

1386
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:52,960
are caused through cosmic radiation

1387
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,559
through camera sensor ccd

1388
00:48:02,549 --> 00:47:59,760
operation program operation

1389
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:02,559
compression of data computers can do a

1390
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:03,280
lot of

1391
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:07,359
weird things charge transfer effect cte

1392
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,359
uh where an object uh maybe a

1393
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,240
even a cosmic ray striking the ccd then

1394
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,680
it smears into a straight line where you

1395
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,880
think oh there's

1396
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,800
there's something that's trailing and

1397
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,480
it's got a tail to it

1398
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:23,440
and that does happen um but not all of

1399
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:23,680
them

1400
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:27,119
are like that and uh i can i can

1401
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,880
now tell you which ones are which

1402
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:30,480
because my electronics background

1403
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:34,000
i know how ccds work and

1404
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,599
did many papers on the sensors that go

1405
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:40,079
onto these satellites so make a long

1406
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,800
story short

1407
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,760
yeah i had to go and learn as much as i

1408
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,119
could about what i was seeing

1409
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,599
because my initial take everything was a

1410
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,040
ufo

1411
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,440
and once the the good professors at

1412
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,280
embry riddle padded me on the head and

1413
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,760
and brought me back down to earth let me

1414
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,079
help you with the science here son

1415
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,200
and of course they're half my age and uh

1416
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,440
they would they would walk it walk it

1417
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,200
through on what i was saying

1418
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,400
but when they would stop and hesitate

1419
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,559
on a few of them i knew i had something

1420
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,000
because that's what these guys do

1421
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:14,240
that they have what a huge astronomy

1422
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,280
department at emory

1423
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,200
they have a huge telescope on the

1424
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,359
science building there

1425
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:21,119
a great department and a lot of smart

1426
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,400
guys

1427
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:24,319
and that's why i use them the way i did

1428
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:25,520
is to help validate

1429
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,359
some of the image artifacts being

1430
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,920
more than artifacts uh and that's what

1431
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,760
led me to start collecting these things

1432
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:35,200
that they couldn't

1433
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,040
define and how many have you collected

1434
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:41,920
uh my files i have three different files

1435
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:42,480
on

1436
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,240
sdo soho and stereo a satellites

1437
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,240
and between the three i have a little

1438
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,640
more than fifty thousand images now

1439
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,960
fifty thousand and work out for five

1440
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,400
years yeah

1441
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,800
and and when you were talking about at

1442
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,079
the uh school

1443
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,280
when you were getting opinions uh was

1444
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,800
there at any point where

1445
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,319
and you said they'd hesitate but was

1446
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,160
there a point where they'd just say

1447
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,720
i have no idea what that is i mean did

1448
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:11,119
they ever admit to that

1449
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,950
some of the pictures i sent you uh yeah

1450
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,800
would be in that category

1451
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,480
i'll go through those or maybe you can

1452
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,839
talk and and

1453
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,599
again i'm gonna have these images up in

1454
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:24,960
the uh show notes

1455
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,920
yeah review or listening to the audio uh

1456
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:29,680
part of this but let's uh let's talk

1457
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,079
about

1458
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,720
uh this one uh that we're showing here

1459
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:34,480
almost looks like a jet in a streak

1460
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:34,880
behind

1461
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,000
it exactly anytime i sound

1462
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,200
i found something that that had um

1463
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,920
all the gestalt principles of proximity

1464
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,839
or organization that's when i stopped

1465
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,760
and really took a look at it

1466
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,920
this particular image is off the 131

1467
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:51,599
angstrom sensor

1468
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,240
from the sdo which flies around in a

1469
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,839
figure eight pattern around earth but

1470
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,079
it's got a it's got a 4k sensor on it so

1471
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:00,000
it gives really nice

1472
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,680
clarity to a solar system

1473
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:06,240
for research this particular picture

1474
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,800
shows

1475
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:09,200
it looks like a refrigerator with three

1476
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,000
perfectly

1477
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,800
round dots in a perfect order right

1478
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,160
behind each other

1479
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,760
like they were mounted on top the

1480
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,240
refrigerator and then there's this black

1481
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:21,280
gap probably the same length

1482
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,400
of the item itself or the object itself

1483
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,119
and then there's a streak behind it

1484
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,680
charge transfer effect

1485
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:32,400
is always given to the streaks on an

1486
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:32,880
image

1487
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,960
however a ccd can't make up

1488
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,800
a charge transfer effect the smear has

1489
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,400
to be continuous

1490
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,800
and because it shows the sensor is weak

1491
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,800
through thermodynamic issues that it's

1492
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,800
having at the time

1493
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:49,599
it doesn't turn itself off and on at

1494
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:50,079
will

1495
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,119
so this is in this case a true trail

1496
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:57,119
uh behind an object that's cutting to

1497
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,480
the left side

1498
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,680
of the sun as in context to the

1499
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:03,280
solar satellite and from earth's

1500
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,720
perspective

1501
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:07,040
so you don't see the sun in this image

1502
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,559
this is again the outer

1503
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,160
portion of the sun so you know it didn't

1504
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,559
come off in a cme it's not a

1505
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,559
it's not just a random piece of the sun

1506
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,800
flying out and a flare

1507
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,160
because there's no flare in this

1508
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:20,880
particular image it's quiet

1509
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,680
but this particular object uh cut across

1510
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,960
the frame

1511
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:27,440
uh during the date time group that was

1512
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,119
associated with it

1513
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,440
and left this imprint now here's the

1514
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:32,800
crazy part

1515
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,160
there wasn't a a

1516
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,240
a sign of this with the image before and

1517
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,800
the image after it was completely blank

1518
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,720
so within one frame this thing cut

1519
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:44,319
across

1520
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,079
1.2 million miles worth of field of view

1521
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,440
and um that's pretty quick well now

1522
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,760
it wouldn't be like an asteroid or a

1523
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,960
comet with

1524
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,280
not with it i mean we would know

1525
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,520
everything that was going on there right

1526
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:02,160
correct and asteroids and comets are

1527
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,040
always seen

1528
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:06,000
in frame by frame progression this this

1529
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,760
is a single frame

1530
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,599
that has no progression to it this

1531
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,599
appeared and disappeared

1532
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,319
um in one frame's worth of time which

1533
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,680
could be but

1534
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,040
it could be about five minutes of

1535
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,520
transition uh

1536
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,319
but my point is even at a couple of

1537
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:23,599
seconds where i've measured some of

1538
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,079
these

1539
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,599
there's nothing behind nothing in front

1540
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:27,599
of them and within

1541
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,319
seconds to maybe 30 seconds is the most

1542
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:32,079
resolution i've gotten

1543
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:34,000
it's not there's no two frames of the

1544
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,200
same thing

1545
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,880
of this type of object it literally cuts

1546
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,280
through the frame within seconds

1547
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:43,440
don't know how it's doing it don't know

1548
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:44,480
where it's going

1549
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,839
um i just know that it's there and it

1550
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:49,760
doesn't look like a natural object

1551
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,520
by any means yeah um so we've got

1552
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,440
let's see we've got two minutes uh

1553
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,200
before we go into

1554
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,720
or yeah two or three minutes before we

1555
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,559
go into the next break but let me just

1556
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,520
pull up on

1557
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:03,280
the next image and you can talk about

1558
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:06,160
this one this is another

1559
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,920
bizarre one it is it's a 171 angstrom

1560
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:10,480
off the

1561
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,760
sdo and uh in this case

1562
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,000
it has an organized pattern within the

1563
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:17,599
grouping of

1564
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,119
lines and dots and

1565
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:23,280
what looks like a bright triangle that

1566
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:24,480
that all kind of

1567
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,680
hinges around the

1568
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,559
pattern on this one is what caught my

1569
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:31,440
eye

1570
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:35,359
because it looks like just

1571
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,480
looks like a fish bone

1572
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,040
uh skeleton where you you flay the fish

1573
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,559
and you get all these little parts

1574
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:44,319
you got the head but you got the all

1575
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:45,599
these little bones and spines

1576
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,799
right behind it and that's what this

1577
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,760
offers

1578
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,240
here's here's the kicker after looking

1579
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:54,720
at all these for about five years

1580
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:57,520
my suspicion is we're only seeing parts

1581
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,640
of the skin

1582
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,920
of the craft or object

1583
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,880
that's lit up and or these things have

1584
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:06,640
organized themselves in such a way that

1585
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:07,119
they're

1586
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,880
structured but i think this is

1587
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,559
the other possibility is this is just

1588
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:14,079
one structure

1589
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,760
and only parts of it are reflecting or

1590
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:20,559
admitting the particular 171 angstrom

1591
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:21,280
light

1592
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,960
that this particular sensor was trying

1593
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,280
to get off the sun

1594
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:28,240
interesting well uh we are going to go

1595
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,040
into break

1596
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:32,079
and uh i did want to tell uh tell

1597
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,119
everyone that

1598
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,359
i'm going to play a uh i'm going to play

1599
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:37,359
a silly video for those of you in

1600
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,079
youtube

1601
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:41,200
that i made uh actually when the uh i

1602
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:42,400
made this when the

1603
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,839
virus first started actually

1604
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:48,400
and uh everyone was wearing masks and i

1605
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:49,599
went into a store

1606
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,960
and was trying to have a conversation

1607
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,640
with a woman i couldn't understand

1608
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,920
anything she said

1609
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,079
so anyway i just a little bit of comic

1610
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:57,839
relief

1611
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,160
yep so everyone uh at kgra radio

1612
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:04,799
i will be right back right after these

1613
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:18,950
and indeed the duck with the ducklings

1614
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:22,079
made it right across i-95 without

1615
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:25,359
incident uh hold on just a minute folks

1616
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,760
uh looks like we have some uh breaking

1617
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:29,040
news here

1618
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:32,640
uh what's that jet

1619
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,000
trask oh mask mask

1620
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:37,920
uh hang on folks just one second just

1621
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:45,440
one second

1622
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:48,799
so thank you

1623
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,079
it looks like you have a real

1624
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:55,280
breakthrough in october 19.

1625
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:58,400
yes it is this is actually

1626
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:02,400
a clear a cure all you have to do

1627
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:05,920
is when you get in the shower just take

1628
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:06,559
a little

1629
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:09,760
thing around your own face and then just

1630
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:10,720
smell it

1631
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:14,000
and then oh my goodness it works in

1632
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,920
99 out of 100 cases it's the best

1633
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,119
breakthrough

1634
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:22,079
you've had since the beginning and

1635
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,440
anyway that's it

1636
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,160
i love ending your healthy note and we

1637
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:29,280
see it tonight at the same time

1638
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:40,880
same place and be well

1639
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:44,880
my guest tonight is uh major

1640
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,240
uh david tune retired and uh

1641
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,760
gonna bring him right back in here we

1642
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,839
are uh welcome back

1643
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:54,079
thank you yeah that was my little comic

1644
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,960
relief

1645
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:56,880
for everybody uh i i don't want to give

1646
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:04,390
yeah uh anyway uh we had a we do take uh

1647
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,680
questions uh i did uh i didn't have time

1648
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,880
to tell you but we're actually going to

1649
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,559
be able to take calls too

1650
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,000
in the last half hour but here's a

1651
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,240
question here uh that bill

1652
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:17,040
a bill uh napper has for you and the

1653
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:18,559
question is does david

1654
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,680
uh think nasa government should disclose

1655
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:23,920
alien existence to the general public

1656
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:27,200
even if the nasa gov don't know or can't

1657
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,000
explain

1658
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,880
why they are visiting us or do they you

1659
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:32,400
know my question would be do they

1660
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,079
do you think they know uh should they

1661
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,480
disclose it i think they are

1662
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,200
um it's a good question and it's a

1663
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:42,640
common one

1664
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,839
it it has been a series of leaks

1665
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,000
for the last three or four years where

1666
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,720
we have been given

1667
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:52,880
some material from the military and most

1668
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,280
folks trust the military because

1669
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,640
they're there for the country they're

1670
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,480
not trying to make a dollar

1671
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,160
off of the videos they're shooting or

1672
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,960
politicize that much yeah

1673
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,119
so it's interesting that there's been a

1674
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:07,119
slow drip of disclosure but what's even

1675
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:08,400
more interesting

1676
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,839
is when i was a kid how accurate star

1677
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,040
trek was

1678
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:15,280
now i look back on it i used to think

1679
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:16,079
the

1680
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:19,440
green lizard and captain kirk were just

1681
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,319
that was a fun one uh those episodes

1682
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,680
were great

1683
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,280
but when you look back you know even the

1684
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,799
tricorder readings you know

1685
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,720
the digital things that they had that

1686
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:31,440
didn't exist

1687
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:34,559
that do now uh you have to wonder

1688
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:38,240
were we fed through hollywood and

1689
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:41,839
other media and movies the possibility

1690
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:45,599
of something that was already known

1691
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:48,559
and it's it was a a slow boil to get us

1692
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:49,599
to a point of

1693
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,480
acknowledgement i think we're still in

1694
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,240
that process of discovery

1695
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:57,280
and disclosure the government doesn't do

1696
01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:00,079
anything fast trust me i spent 22 years

1697
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,520
in the military

1698
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:03,359
i know how fast it goes when it comes to

1699
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:05,280
bureaucracies

1700
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,720
but this one's a big one they put out

1701
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:10,000
some studies nasa even did a study

1702
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,400
2012 and gave it to a religious

1703
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:16,559
organization to

1704
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:20,160
to survey folks on what effects would it

1705
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:20,960
have

1706
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:24,240
if the government suddenly disclosed

1707
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,119
that

1708
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,319
aliens existed and we were contacted or

1709
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,240
contacting them

1710
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,720
and it was um it was interesting it was

1711
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:33,680
a million dollar

1712
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,799
million five dollar contract and

1713
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:38,720
that was just a few years ago about the

1714
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:41,599
time they started leaking these military

1715
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,880
videos so to answer your question

1716
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:47,200
yes i think they should and i think they

1717
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,160
are

1718
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:51,359
at the government's pace

1719
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,240
and i think what i've got in my

1720
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:56,400
discoveries or is a part of that

1721
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,680
but it's not coordinated so i may get a

1722
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:01,280
little trip in a little black

1723
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,200
uh van or or maybe some type of

1724
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,240
ford excursion that's up armored but uh

1725
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,400
i i do believe you are getting some

1726
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,160
disclosure at this point

1727
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:15,359
and it's it's drip by drip until

1728
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:16,960
until it's time and i don't know when

1729
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:19,440
that is but full disclosure

1730
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,880
it still may be a few years away yeah i

1731
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:24,559
i don't know i have mixed feelings

1732
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:26,319
myself about

1733
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:29,200
uh about the whole disclosure thing and

1734
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:30,160
because uh

1735
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,440
you know i brought this up on another

1736
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:33,599
show i i watched

1737
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:36,799
i watched a video that's on youtube

1738
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,319
you know several years ago and it it

1739
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:43,119
was shot back in the 1950s the late

1740
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:44,400
1950s

1741
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:46,160
and there was this old guy with a derby

1742
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,079
hat and he's saying

1743
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:50,720
i just have a feeling you know that i'm

1744
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:51,520
gonna know

1745
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:58,000
felt that way i do feel like the needle

1746
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:59,200
has moved

1747
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:01,039
in certain ways and then a lot of people

1748
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:02,720
may argue well we've been on that road

1749
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:03,280
before

1750
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,599
we've we've had this you know happen

1751
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,119
before we get close and

1752
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:09,680
and what if uh lou alizondo is a

1753
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:10,720
disinformation

1754
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:13,520
agent or something you know i mean yeah

1755
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:14,400
it would collapse

1756
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,559
i'm not saying he is i'm not

1757
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:21,280
going to start any rumors or or anything

1758
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,240
like that but i mean

1759
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:24,960
i've met him i know it's okay i was at a

1760
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,680
symposium

1761
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,359
uh two years ago with him at cherry hill

1762
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,960
and smart dude i was here

1763
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,799
i was there with him yeah i was there

1764
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:32,240
with you yeah

1765
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,839
i i actually uh i i i had met him and we

1766
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,200
talked for over half an hour and i

1767
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,039
realized after we got done talking

1768
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:42,160
we never once talked about a ufo because

1769
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,119
he's uh he's that

1770
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:45,039
antique collector and i'm a i'm an

1771
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:46,160
appraiser and

1772
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,039
you know perfect so we got into that uh

1773
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:50,720
but anyway

1774
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,559
yeah yeah yeah anyway

1775
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:56,079
you know i i don't know what to think

1776
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:57,760
about disclosure but i would like since

1777
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,240
you

1778
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,720
were in the military um i'd like to

1779
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:02,559
discuss what you think about the nimitz

1780
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:09,829
i think the nimitz case is

1781
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:14,000
is real i think it's highly probable

1782
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,839
given the amount of detail that was

1783
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:17,599
released

1784
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:20,240
and the circumstances of which it was

1785
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,200
found

1786
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,880
again anytime you're getting these

1787
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:25,440
military leaks and stories

1788
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:28,319
it's it's interesting because it's it's

1789
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:29,839
a part of the government

1790
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,359
yet it's um

1791
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:35,520
it's one that people tend to believe

1792
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,720
more than they do

1793
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:39,039
you know an agency like the fbi came out

1794
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:40,160
and said yeah we

1795
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:41,440
we've got a couple of little green men

1796
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:42,480
we've been interviewing for a couple

1797
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,680
years now

1798
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:46,319
i'm just not a fan of that agency right

1799
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,200
now

1800
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:49,039
but uh when you're talking military

1801
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,559
these guys

1802
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:53,119
again are apolitical they're just doing

1803
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:54,000
their job

1804
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,960
and they report what they see plain and

1805
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:58,240
simple

1806
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:01,520
so uh it's hard to

1807
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,760
distrust your your lying eyes when you

1808
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:06,240
see a jet chasing a ufo

1809
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,799
on actual footage and what's funny is

1810
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,559
one of the things i did martin was

1811
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,039
when they first started showing the the

1812
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,599
jet fighter chases with these ufos

1813
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:17,839
i looked around at the whole image

1814
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,240
itself i'm looking at

1815
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:22,559
uh is this a real display of a hud

1816
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:23,280
system

1817
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,400
right because that's what i used to fly

1818
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:29,920
with in the apaches and

1819
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,079
in one eye we'd have that same setup

1820
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,240
just a little bit different

1821
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,319
organization of the same data so i

1822
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:38,000
started reading around the edges going

1823
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:39,520
okay what's their altitude where's the

1824
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:41,599
camera heading what's the azimuth

1825
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:45,680
and um the i the iat gates that locked

1826
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,799
onto the object

1827
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,559
the apache has the same thing and i'm

1828
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:50,400
like this is a real video

1829
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:53,440
this this isn't teased uh or put

1830
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:54,160
together

1831
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:58,160
as a as a false flag so that's why i

1832
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,640
give

1833
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,119
the military a the credit for reporting

1834
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,839
but b whoever is pushing this stuff out

1835
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:06,240
um is doing the nation of service in the

1836
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:07,359
world of service to say

1837
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:10,559
it's it's been here for a bit and even

1838
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:13,359
the military is dealing with it because

1839
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:15,520
what we do is we set up safeguards for

1840
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:16,480
our nation

1841
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:19,359
if we can't protect our own on the seas

1842
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:21,119
or on the air

1843
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:23,760
that's a problem and uh so it is a

1844
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:25,760
national security issue

1845
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,400
but it's also a safety issue because as

1846
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,920
a pilot i don't want to be banging into

1847
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:31,440
a ufo if somebody knows it's sitting

1848
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:31,760
there

1849
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:34,160
just just tell me so here's a question

1850
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:35,200
up here

1851
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,319
does that mean you you

1852
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:40,480
you do you believe the eyewitness

1853
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:42,480
accounts is what you're saying

1854
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:45,839
when it comes to the military pilots yes

1855
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:50,400
yes and the reason is there's really no

1856
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:52,240
there's not an official channel even in

1857
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,359
the military it's not an official

1858
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,359
channel if i see a ufo

1859
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,839
uh the faa doesn't have a form where i

1860
01:06:02,630 --> 01:05:59,359
fill out a ufo site

1861
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,640
ufo sighting form there's nothing

1862
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:04,160
really official like that you can turn

1863
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:05,920
in a report

1864
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:08,079
uh but as far as something like that in

1865
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,359
that category a

1866
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,119
it normally means they'll let you sit

1867
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,520
out for a couple of flights and have the

1868
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,359
flight surgeon come in and look at you

1869
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:16,960
yeah uh or

1870
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:19,520
unfortunately yes yeah ptsd stress

1871
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,000
whatever

1872
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,960
they're going to find something um but

1873
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:23,760
some of this

1874
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:27,760
um footage is

1875
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,119
uncontroversial it's it's just raw data

1876
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,960
and that's why it's fascinating to sit

1877
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:34,640
there and watch it

1878
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,680
leak out because it gives the rest of us

1879
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:39,440
who had a suspicion

1880
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:40,640
these things are flying around the

1881
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,440
airspace that even the military has to

1882
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,119
deal with it from time to time

1883
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,119
and it's okay to just call it what it is

1884
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:49,440
we don't know we just don't know

1885
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:52,720
now anytime during your your training

1886
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:56,319
and and you know in in flight school etc

1887
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:59,680
was the topic ever brought up if you see

1888
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:00,079
something

1889
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,280
a danger in the sky you know i mean a

1890
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:07,280
safety aspect of course

1891
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,039
that part's talking about but it never

1892
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:11,839
bled over into

1893
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,079
an anomalous object no and then this

1894
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,920
even in school you don't talk about it

1895
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:19,920
because it's not a thing

1896
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,799
it's just not a topic the only thing

1897
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:24,640
that you're taught in school is how to

1898
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:25,440
identify

1899
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,079
things that are in the air that are um

1900
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:32,799
friend or foe yeah it's as simple as

1901
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,200
that

1902
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,280
it's it's all man-made and you do it by

1903
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,119
silhouette you do it by

1904
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:38,720
flight characteristics you do it by

1905
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:41,119
whatever methodology you have but you're

1906
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,319
never taught

1907
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,400
well if you happen to see a ufo that

1908
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,480
that those words are never uttered in

1909
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:48,880
school

1910
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:53,680
other pilots have you ever

1911
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:56,720
has that subject ever come up like

1912
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,880
you know in say a bar or something like

1913
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:00,880
that

1914
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:04,640
for me i've had discussions with

1915
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,039
other pilots and i can't remember a time

1916
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:11,359
where i came across a peer that would

1917
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:13,039
talk about it

1918
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,400
if they had they just didn't want to

1919
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:16,799
talk about it

1920
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:20,159
i have since

1921
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:23,279
had a few folks that i've talked to that

1922
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:25,839
were aviation related

1923
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:30,080
that um they don't get into details but

1924
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:31,520
they suspect that you know there's some

1925
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:33,120
weird stuff that this certain day that

1926
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,040
saw some lights it just

1927
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:36,960
if you can't identify it you don't put

1928
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:39,279
you a ufo label on it as a pilot that's

1929
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,719
not where you go

1930
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,480
you leave you just leave it as i don't

1931
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,920
know what i saw

1932
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,279
yeah there's a recording that i've

1933
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:47,600
listened to where

1934
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:50,640
they obviously encounter a ufo the

1935
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,000
pilots

1936
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:54,000
not just one plane but there's two of

1937
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:56,080
them and they're talking to the tower do

1938
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,279
you see this

1939
01:09:01,030 --> 01:09:00,480
and the i think the woman says do you

1940
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,040
want

1941
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:03,040
to call it a ufo and he said i'm not

1942
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,640
calling it a ufo

1943
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,400
you know they're you know they're

1944
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:07,679
they're scared to

1945
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:10,640
uh take that leap it still has a

1946
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:11,199
negative

1947
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,679
uh stigma in the military it's just

1948
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:15,120
something you don't talk about

1949
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,679
uh however if it's a hostile act that

1950
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,199
you're seeing

1951
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:21,839
you still say i have an unidentified

1952
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,880
bogey uh

1953
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,960
it's doing bogey yeah that's what they

1954
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,960
say they give the terms

1955
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:29,279
uh that could fit in that same category

1956
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:31,679
but you never use the ufo term within

1957
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,120
uh what they give you for military sake

1958
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:37,440
so it may be unidentified but you're not

1959
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,560
going to call it a ufo you're just going

1960
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,600
to say i've got an

1961
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,920
unidentified craft hostile axe and then

1962
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:43,120
describe it

1963
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:46,000
and location and uh that's that's kind

1964
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:47,359
of how the military does it

1965
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:50,799
so they keep it really agnostic

1966
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:53,839
when you're also when you're

1967
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,120
reporting say an object that you

1968
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:00,000
know but it's not supposed to be there

1969
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,120
do you ask

1970
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,840
for a radar reading on it like uh you

1971
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:05,520
know transponder in the whole works i

1972
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:06,239
mean are you

1973
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:09,040
are you supposed to communicate that

1974
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,000
yeah exactly

1975
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:12,080
um anytime you have something here with

1976
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:13,600
you that you're not aware of

1977
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:17,360
a you report it as a as a pie rep um

1978
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:20,159
so other aircraft don't get near it uh

1979
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:21,440
in case it's not

1980
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:24,080
listed on let's say a nodem uh notice to

1981
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:25,120
airmen

1982
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:27,920
that will say hey we've got a a blimp or

1983
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,960
an aerostat in this area

1984
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,239
watch out for the wires that it's

1985
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,679
connected to that type of thing or

1986
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:35,840
there's a tower that you're not aware of

1987
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:38,480
so yes you always report something that

1988
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:40,000
catches you by surprise that you're not

1989
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:41,199
aware of

1990
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:42,800
because you don't know if you're going

1991
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,440
to save the next guy behind you

1992
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,600
for whatever tragedy maybe fall if he's

1993
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,120
unaware as well

1994
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:51,679
so yeah pilots do report as much as they

1995
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:52,960
can

1996
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,320
anything that is a threat or unusual

1997
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,320
that is not on the maps or hasn't been

1998
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,159
read before the flight

1999
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:02,800
well okay i'm uh posting this for uh

2000
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,360
bill

2001
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:05,360
who's uh behind the scenes he's gonna be

2002
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,520
screening calls later on but this is

2003
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:09,360
this measure message up here is from

2004
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:10,560
bill actually

2005
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,280
and uh do you think the need for the

2006
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,080
space force is due to our adversaries

2007
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:19,040
or possibly a threat from unknowns that

2008
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:20,080
cannot

2009
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,550
i think we're way behind on the space

2010
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:34,080
force thing uh

2011
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:35,679
i'll i'll give you a little sample of

2012
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:37,840
why i think that when i was

2013
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:40,400
in military intelligence in california i

2014
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,679
had a friend of mine at the naval post

2015
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:43,600
graduate school working on

2016
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:46,239
the star wars defense system that reagan

2017
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:46,960
oh yeah

2018
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,600
requested this this is for the older

2019
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:50,880
audience

2020
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,760
and uh some of those experiments and

2021
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:55,040
research was done by the naval

2022
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:56,239
postgraduate school

2023
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,920
folks who were getting their masters and

2024
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,760
phds and such

2025
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,440
and a friend of mine was one of these

2026
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:03,440
nuclear-type physicists

2027
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:06,560
getting his ph.d and

2028
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,080
one day he he said hey um

2029
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:12,640
i've i'm working on reagan's stuff but

2030
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,840
i'm having an issue

2031
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:15,920
uh what do you know about electronics

2032
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:18,159
equipment i laughed like i work with it

2033
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,199
every day i

2034
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:21,280
i fix all sorts of fun stuff some things

2035
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:22,800
i can't talk about

2036
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,520
he goes oh cool i've got an issue with

2037
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,080
my oscilloscope it's not catching

2038
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,640
the three different probe inputs on the

2039
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:32,480
scope and the timing i need and i can't

2040
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,199
get my

2041
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:35,120
thesis completed and get a phd if i

2042
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:36,480
don't get it

2043
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,040
and i said all right what's your problem

2044
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:40,640
so he describes how he's got this thing

2045
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:41,600
wired

2046
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,800
in the lab in some room and on the naval

2047
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:46,159
post graduate school and i said all

2048
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,880
right

2049
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:49,120
well i got a mental picture but i think

2050
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:52,159
i need to see the area he said okay

2051
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,760
so he he said what's your clearance and

2052
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:55,520
i told him and he goes okay let's let's

2053
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:56,719
go take a look

2054
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,880
so after church one night we were

2055
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:00,239
sitting there talking in the parking lot

2056
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:01,600
let me take you down and show you the

2057
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:02,840
lab because i got to work on this

2058
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:05,120
tomorrow and it takes me this big long

2059
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,640
building down in the basement

2060
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,880
there's one bulb and the basement's like

2061
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,480
a football field long

2062
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:12,080
there's one bulb in the center so it

2063
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,520
looks like we're going into some

2064
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:15,840
movie you know right out of you know

2065
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,920
some sci-fi flick and i'm like uh are we

2066
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:19,040
supposed to be here yeah you're going to

2067
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:20,080
be interrogated

2068
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,239
yeah and have i said something wrong to

2069
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,760
you man did you have to report me on

2070
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,960
something

2071
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:26,960
so we get to the center of this building

2072
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,360
on the basement he opens these two doors

2073
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:31,360
into the lab clicks on the lights and i

2074
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,199
swear i'm on a hollywood set

2075
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:36,000
this lab was about a 20 foot by 20 foot

2076
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:37,440
maybe 25 foot

2077
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:39,760
square and it had stuff hanging

2078
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:42,320
everywhere electronics it had

2079
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,679
you know beakers it had glass it hit

2080
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,280
it looked like a hollywood set and i

2081
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:49,120
said this place is a mess

2082
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,480
and what's the coffin doing in the

2083
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,640
middle of the room he goes that's that's

2084
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:54,000
not a coffin that's a

2085
01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:58,159
5 megawatt pulse laser like a what

2086
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:01,600
a 5 megawatt what pulse laser really and

2087
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,560
uh yeah

2088
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,239
that's what i said really it looks like

2089
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:05,920
a coffin because you got it bordered up

2090
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:06,320
in

2091
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,480
plywood and he goes no we got the ends

2092
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:10,880
open so that's good

2093
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,000
so he uh was showing me the target set

2094
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:16,239
that he was firing this megawatt laser

2095
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,040
into

2096
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:18,960
looked like a diving helmet that's the

2097
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:21,040
target six feet away from the

2098
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:22,480
laser maybe it was 10 feet away from the

2099
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,480
laser it looked like a diving helmet but

2100
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,560
is where they put the vacuum

2101
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:29,280
targets in so it set this little little

2102
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:29,600
uh

2103
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,080
chunk of metal dangling in front of this

2104
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,400
glass inside this vacuumed

2105
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:36,400
system and they had like three probes

2106
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:37,600
sitting in there to pull the

2107
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:40,640
voltage the current and the flash

2108
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,960
and all the data like that some sensors

2109
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,560
and he ran those sensors back to the

2110
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:45,760
oscilloscope so when he

2111
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:48,960
shot this piece of metal his paper was

2112
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:50,320
to see what the effects were from a

2113
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:51,840
laser strike on

2114
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:54,880
metals like that's kind of cool

2115
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,679
so he said goggle up i said oh man

2116
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,880
really you're gonna fire this off in

2117
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:00,560
front of me and he goes yeah

2118
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:04,000
so um we goggle up he fires or he

2119
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,520
sets everything up and you hear the hum

2120
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,199
of all the equipment turns the

2121
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:10,080
oscilloscope on and he goes all right

2122
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:11,600
we're about to fire and he counts down

2123
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:12,880
three two one

2124
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,000
and hear us click i go

2125
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:18,719
was that it and he goes yeah we just we

2126
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,480
just shot that piece of metal i said

2127
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,480
i was expecting something like pew pew

2128
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:24,239
you know something really cool you see

2129
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:25,120
the thing light up

2130
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,520
he goes oh man it's a it's a like a 10

2131
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:28,800
nanosecond

2132
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:32,960
pulse laser it's just a packet of energy

2133
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,840
and uh i said okay now what do we do he

2134
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:36,800
looked at the scope

2135
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:39,600
and he has a polaroid on it and the

2136
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,640
three different

2137
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:42,239
lines that were coming in from the

2138
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:44,000
feedback were off

2139
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:45,679
they weren't close to each other two

2140
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,719
were right next to each other and one

2141
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,840
was way off

2142
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:49,440
make a long story short that was his

2143
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,640
problem his theory and all his math

2144
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:55,040
said that these three arcs are supposed

2145
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:56,880
to be close to each other for pulse

2146
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:00,239
light and current and uh he said if i

2147
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:01,600
can't figure out how that

2148
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,760
that third one gets over there or why my

2149
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:05,600
my math is so far off

2150
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:08,000
my calculations and i'm kind of stuck

2151
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,640
i'm

2152
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,120
two months away from graduation so we

2153
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,960
put it all back down after about five or

2154
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:14,080
six more shots

2155
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:16,080
and it left the dent in this metal it

2156
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:17,440
was pretty cool looking didn't go

2157
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:18,719
straight through but it left a

2158
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:21,120
pretty heavy dent we shot copper i think

2159
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,480
that night

2160
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,000
and uh we get in the parking lot we're

2161
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:26,159
about to leave and uh i said have you

2162
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,000
ever checked your leads

2163
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:30,320
from your target to the oscope and he

2164
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:31,920
goes why would i do that

2165
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:34,159
i said you got 20 foot of room i mean

2166
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:35,120
you've got to stretch

2167
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,719
those leads all the way across this room

2168
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,159
from the target to the

2169
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:39,920
the scope have you ever pulled those

2170
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:41,199
three leads out and he goes why would i

2171
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:42,159
do that

2172
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:43,600
i said what if one of those leads is

2173
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:45,520
longer than the other

2174
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:47,280
and he jumped out of the car started

2175
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:49,040
running back to the room and i said oh

2176
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:49,840
no

2177
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:52,719
i think we're onto something he he tore

2178
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:53,760
those three leads out

2179
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:56,320
threw him out in the dark hallway and

2180
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:57,600
sure enough

2181
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:01,120
of the three leads one had

2182
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,760
one extra 10 foot length of bnc cable on

2183
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:06,000
it and it was causing the problem

2184
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:08,080
and he took that off made sure all three

2185
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,920
leads the exact same length went back in

2186
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:11,440
fired that thing up again it was a

2187
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:12,880
perfect picture

2188
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:15,679
and he graduated two months later with

2189
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:18,320
this phd

2190
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:21,440
so if if that was happening and we were

2191
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:24,000
we were testing effects of lasers in

2192
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:24,960
space

2193
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,480
in 1985 do i think we're on target with

2194
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,239
space force now no

2195
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:32,400
we're late there's there's been stuff

2196
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:34,000
going on for a long time that we're just

2197
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:35,520
late to the game

2198
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:37,440
i think uh you know one of the things

2199
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:40,000
you know this is of course

2200
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:42,480
more or less off the topic of ufos but

2201
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:43,120
still

2202
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,159
um you know we have to be careful the

2203
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:49,040
can you imagine having the dominance of

2204
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,480
satellites

2205
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:52,960
what that could do to a country as far

2206
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:54,640
as crippling we could be totally

2207
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:55,600
crippled

2208
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,199
if our satellites were taken out and i

2209
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:59,360
know the i think it was the chinese had

2210
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,080
a uh

2211
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:02,800
they had a a satellite destroy another

2212
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:04,159
satellite

2213
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,400
pretty scary to to read about that

2214
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:10,640
it's a show of force and uh

2215
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:12,640
unfortunately we were

2216
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:14,000
going to show them we could do the same

2217
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:15,280
thing we did the same thing and now

2218
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:16,000
we've got

2219
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,760
two satellites worth of debris hanging

2220
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:19,120
out with all the other satellites that

2221
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:20,640
are trying to orbit

2222
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:23,600
yeah yeah we showed them but now we've

2223
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,239
got a

2224
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,640
a garbage problem that no one's cleaning

2225
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,239
up on all three

2226
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,480
the space debris is i heard how many

2227
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,239
pieces of space debris it's

2228
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:34,560
it's just uncanny i mean it's hard to

2229
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:35,280
fathom

2230
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:37,040
with what's floating around and if

2231
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,440
you're going the wrong way

2232
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:42,239
well yeah well even the iss the space

2233
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,080
station up there it's traveling about 17

2234
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:45,840
000 miles per hour and it's

2235
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:48,800
it's got to not touch any of that debris

2236
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,360
yeah

2237
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:50,480
because it'll go right through the

2238
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:52,960
systems there and so it was just

2239
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:55,520
ridiculous to to read the history on

2240
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:56,480
that

2241
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:59,760
and um i i don't know you know

2242
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,560
what it showed besides the capabilities

2243
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:04,159
of both but

2244
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:07,120
the fact that uh trump set up space

2245
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,320
force is

2246
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:10,239
a plus because i don't know why the

2247
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:11,920
other presidents three decades ago

2248
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:15,280
didn't we have we've

2249
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:18,400
we've had the need for a long time now

2250
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:20,320
martin the other issue no one's talking

2251
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,320
about is what happens now that the

2252
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:24,000
magnetic field of the earth is weakened

2253
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:26,000
and we've got cmes

2254
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:27,600
starting to fire back up on the sun in

2255
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:32,550
china has nothing on the sun the sun can

2256
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,719
do a lot of damage

2257
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:37,360
well yeah i mean the fact i mean that's

2258
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:38,000
they think

2259
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,320
you know mars had the protective field

2260
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:41,600
around it at one time

2261
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:43,440
you know once you lose that you can be

2262
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,719
toast it's scary

2263
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,040
to think about that it's weakening and

2264
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:49,120
uh they've actually seen a distance uh i

2265
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:50,320
mean a difference over

2266
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,800
kind of a short period of time which is

2267
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:54,159
is not

2268
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:57,760
worry about that's for sure

2269
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,840
yeah all different ways here's another

2270
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:01,120
question up here

2271
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,640
is anyone studying the uh target grades

2272
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:06,159
do you know what that is that were

2273
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:08,560
crashed on the moon i'm not familiar

2274
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:09,600
with that study

2275
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,639
um so i i don't know it's it's a good

2276
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:14,560
question and i'm i'm not familiar with

2277
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:15,520
it i wish i

2278
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,440
i had that kind of uh background in it

2279
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:18,880
but i would have to

2280
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,080
google that because i don't even know

2281
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,000
what that is uh

2282
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:24,480
i'm just not familiar with it myself but

2283
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:25,679
i do know that

2284
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:29,120
um one of the uh possibilities

2285
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,159
uh jonathan or john brandenburg has

2286
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:34,239
stated that mars was attacked about 200

2287
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:35,520
000 years ago

2288
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:38,800
dropped a couple of um air bombs uh on

2289
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:40,159
cydonia

2290
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:42,560
and his work is just extraordinary

2291
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:43,360
because

2292
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:46,080
he backs it with all the different

2293
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:47,360
readings that have come back from the

2294
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:48,159
rovers

2295
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,440
the different isotopes that were

2296
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:52,239
involved and whatever it was was nuclear

2297
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:53,120
nature

2298
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:56,000
so that was fascinating i remember what

2299
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:56,719
these things are

2300
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:00,159
okay these are these little tiny little

2301
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:04,639
i'll try to see if i can uh pull one up

2302
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:07,280
but i i'm not familiar with that that

2303
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:08,560
that uh

2304
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,719
that was discovered on the moon now i

2305
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:12,080
know there was something that

2306
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:19,430
trying to remember what it was bacteria

2307
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:21,120
or something on it that was sitting in

2308
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:22,639
space for a long time which is pretty

2309
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:23,440
amazing

2310
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:25,360
yep plankton they've had some little

2311
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,199
small plankton on the

2312
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,280
windshields of the space shuttle at that

2313
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:31,199
time that's these guys

2314
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,239
yep those guys can i remember seeing

2315
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:36,239
them but those guys can last in anything

2316
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:38,080
they're just tough tough as nails and

2317
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,760
they're ugly as everything

2318
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,600
yeah they're they're not only a mother

2319
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,120
could love something like that

2320
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:46,320
i think yeah but uh the other issue

2321
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,600
um with with the earth is that we do

2322
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:51,360
tend to be on a cycle of about every

2323
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:52,639
twelve thousand twelve thousand five

2324
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:53,920
hundred years

2325
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:57,600
um and a real smart guy uh on

2326
01:22:01,350 --> 01:22:00,239
suspicious observers website on youtube

2327
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:01,360
name ben davidson

2328
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:03,360
has been leading the charge on showing

2329
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:05,679
how the our sun

2330
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:07,920
micro novas about every 12 thousand

2331
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,080
years and it causes the extinction

2332
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:12,719
events on the planet and it's

2333
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:13,760
fascinating

2334
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,440
uh if you keep going back every twelve

2335
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:17,199
thousand twelve thousand five hundred

2336
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:19,360
you'll get to the next extinction event

2337
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,639
and it's and it's where are we right now

2338
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:24,960
we're at 12 000. we're at the mayan

2339
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:25,760
calendar 12

2340
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:29,199
000. don't bother with life insurance

2341
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:30,719
don't worry about china uh the

2342
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:31,840
satellites are going to come out of the

2343
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:34,159
air all by themselves

2344
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,840
um i'm going to i'm going to be putting

2345
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,920
up the phone number here in just a few

2346
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,199
minutes but

2347
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:41,360
i thought we could talk about a couple

2348
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:42,320
of other

2349
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:45,360
of these images and here's one right

2350
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:45,760
here

2351
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,400
can you describe this one and again for

2352
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:50,000
the audio listener i'm going to have

2353
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:50,960
these images

2354
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:53,520
all in the show notes not a problem this

2355
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:55,199
is off the stereo

2356
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,639
ahead 304 angstrom and it's looking i

2357
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:00,239
believe at the isotope

2358
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:03,360
for hydrogen if not iron i

2359
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:06,159
have to look at that again and you can

2360
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:07,520
see there's no direct

2361
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,719
line of energy from the sun surface to

2362
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:12,320
this object

2363
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:15,440
and so it's not a cme related object

2364
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:18,800
it was only in one particular

2365
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:21,040
frame but i'm glad you showed this one

2366
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:22,000
because it shows

2367
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:25,080
uh the proximity to the sun and the

2368
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,400
unconnectivity of the sun to it

2369
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:30,159
because cmes do throw things out like

2370
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:32,080
you'll see just off to the left

2371
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,520
um a filament that sometimes will erupt

2372
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,280
off the surface of the sun and through

2373
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:39,199
magnetic forces stay there or

2374
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,159
launch into uh outer space as a cme some

2375
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:44,239
type of

2376
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:47,199
magnetic extrusion but this particular

2377
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:48,480
object has a

2378
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:51,600
white bright white into it what that

2379
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:53,360
means for this particular sensor

2380
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:56,000
is it's looking for the 304 angstrom

2381
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:57,920
frequency

2382
01:24:01,510 --> 01:24:00,800
the white indicates it's maximized the

2383
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:01,520
frequency

2384
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:04,880
pixels there's no other place for this

2385
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:08,320
energy to go so if the sun

2386
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:11,360
is not white but in this case

2387
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:13,600
you can see all the different attributes

2388
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:14,880
of

2389
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,400
what's really a black and white that's

2390
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:18,639
that's falsely colored orange

2391
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:21,199
but you'll see the different gray scales

2392
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,960
and then they colorize it well in this

2393
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:23,760
case

2394
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,920
there's no gray scale for white white is

2395
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:26,880
white

2396
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:29,760
and so whatever this object is that has

2397
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:30,639
a

2398
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:38,159
structure

2399
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,520
that is um i would say the length

2400
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:44,080
of earth and a half in size in

2401
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:45,840
comparison to the sun

2402
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:49,040
wow if this is within the chromosphere

2403
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:51,920
or photosphere of the sun

2404
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:54,480
and this particular sensor stereo a is

2405
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:57,760
64 million miles away from earth

2406
01:25:01,910 --> 01:25:00,560
this is not debris this is not a

2407
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,920
satellite

2408
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,560
this is pure space in the atmosphere of

2409
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,320
the sun versus the satellite that took

2410
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:07,920
the picture

2411
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:11,199
and um again i used gestalt principles

2412
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:12,080
to

2413
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:18,719
and are not asteroids and are not known

2414
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:22,000
and this particular object

2415
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,440
has enough structure to it that

2416
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:27,920
um it looks like the back end of

2417
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,280
something that's hauling

2418
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:31,920
but through our our solar system decided

2419
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:32,639
to

2420
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,120
sun

2421
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:39,920
so good question if it's if it's

2422
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,400
actually

2423
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:42,000
interfering and interacting with the

2424
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,000
sun's um

2425
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:45,920
atmosphere you're looking at about an

2426
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,040
earth and a half

2427
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:49,600
size of a structured object cutting

2428
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:50,560
across

2429
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:52,880
you know i've heard that before when

2430
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:53,840
people have seen

2431
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:56,560
anomalies near the sun there they use

2432
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:56,880
that

2433
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:00,159
as a uh you know comparison it's

2434
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:02,000
like earth size or twice the size of the

2435
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:03,840
earth uh near the sun

2436
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:07,120
uh unknown you know whatever it is

2437
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,320
sure it's bizarre you'll also see the

2438
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:11,920
the light on this one or the

2439
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,000
back side of this this object that seems

2440
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:16,000
to be flowing away from us

2441
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:18,159
is pure white but there's no streak

2442
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:19,440
there's no cte

2443
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:22,719
there's the sensor is working perfectly

2444
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:25,120
uh so there's no malfunction or thermal

2445
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,760
runaway

2446
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:28,080
on the sensor itself it's kind of iffy

2447
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:29,600
this is giving you probably the purest

2448
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,880
view of something

2449
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:32,880
that was really there for that

2450
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:34,000
particular frame that's

2451
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:37,360
that's the scary part this to me as a

2452
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:38,239
scientist

2453
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,600
go i've

2454
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:43,679
i've researched artifacts i've

2455
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,239
researched all the camera problems

2456
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:49,199
this is a real good pure example of this

2457
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,880
was here and then it's gone

2458
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:52,320
and it's something i can't explain but

2459
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:54,560
it's really cool to look at

2460
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:57,600
yeah i agree with that um so um if

2461
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:58,960
anyone wants to call in

2462
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:01,840
the show that phone number is up on the

2463
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:03,199
screen if you're watching

2464
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:06,080
on youtube or facebook or twitch that

2465
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:10,239
number is 855-472-5483

2466
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:12,560
and operators are standing by that's

2467
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:13,600
bill that is

2468
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:15,760
is standing by and he will take your

2469
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:17,920
call so i i don't know do we look at

2470
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:18,560
this one

2471
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,760
yet no

2472
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:23,440
is that the sun's surface is what we're

2473
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,679
seeing yes to the left

2474
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:27,600
uh the sun surface to the right where

2475
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:29,679
the anomaly is it's the atmosphere or

2476
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:30,719
the chromosphere

2477
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:32,880
uh of which this object was cutting

2478
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:38,629
again you can see the three or four

2479
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:41,760
lengths of light coming from a dark

2480
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:44,800
center or a some type of

2481
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:47,360
center of of this object plus that

2482
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:48,320
little smaller

2483
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,430
this doesn't have an explanation because

2484
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:57,280
asteroids and comets don't travel like

2485
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:57,600
this

2486
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:01,040
nor do they organize in straight lines

2487
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:04,400
around a specific spot so i

2488
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,880
i chose this one as an another example

2489
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,159
of there's no streaking

2490
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:10,800
there's no cte the sensor was working

2491
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,080
fine

2492
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:14,080
but there's enough anomalous

2493
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:15,199
characteristics

2494
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,360
that are not explained by anything in

2495
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,520
astronomy right now

2496
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:21,520
that would give you satisfaction of the

2497
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:24,400
identity of this object

2498
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:27,520
and here's the other fact astrobiology

2499
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:28,400
is is

2500
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:31,600
young astrobiology is the study of

2501
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:34,800
life in space astrophysics is the study

2502
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:35,120
of

2503
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:38,560
processes on inorganic materials and

2504
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,400
and forces the two worlds never touch um

2505
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,320
there's computer systems that take all

2506
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:46,560
this data from these satellites

2507
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:48,639
and the lamsol computer will will tell

2508
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:50,320
you you know where's a flare

2509
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:52,080
or the filament is you know where the

2510
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:53,440
eruptions are

2511
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:55,040
but they're not looking for life nor was

2512
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:56,480
a computer

2513
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:58,239
ever designed or programmed in the

2514
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:00,159
algorithms to look for life

2515
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:03,199
it looks for processes so when you

2516
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,719
you capture something like this and show

2517
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,639
it to an astrophysicist they have

2518
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:08,320
nothing for you

2519
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:09,920
the computers won't get the computers

2520
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:12,239
won't catch it they don't identify it

2521
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,280
because it was never part of their field

2522
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:17,760
of study and uh some of them just kind

2523
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:20,000
of poo poo it off and try to find

2524
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:23,920
an a explanation that fits their

2525
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:25,360
paradigm

2526
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,560
but i have enough evidence that requires

2527
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:30,400
people to have a new paradigm

2528
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,600
and it's time to start talking

2529
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:33,360
astrobiology not just astrophysics

2530
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:34,239
anymore

2531
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:36,480
wow how about that uh so we have

2532
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:38,800
jonathan on the line from north carolina

2533
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:40,080
jonathan welcome

2534
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:43,280
to the show well thank you for having me

2535
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:44,080
on

2536
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:48,239
week has been pretty extraordinary in

2537
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:50,000
terms of ufo developments with the

2538
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:51,360
article in the debrief

2539
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:54,400
and then the israeli scientists coming

2540
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:55,840
out and talking

2541
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:58,560
about you know his claims with the ufos

2542
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,600
and the government

2543
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:02,000
and i guess my question is that there

2544
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:03,440
there are people who are in high

2545
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:04,080
positions

2546
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:05,600
teams that are willing to leak you know

2547
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,840
information and tell the people

2548
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:09,600
public the truth but there seems to be

2549
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:11,120
such hesitation

2550
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,880
on the government and the question is

2551
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,639
what do you think the public can do to

2552
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:16,480
pressure the government to

2553
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:19,199
release more and tell us the truth about

2554
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:25,910
good question you can always petition

2555
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:26,320
your

2556
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:29,840
in the u.s

2557
01:30:34,390 --> 01:30:32,000
that's the only effect that we have for

2558
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:34,400
u.s disclosure the

2559
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:37,280
the fact that project blue book was

2560
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:39,360
disbanded in the 1960s when mufon

2561
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:41,440
decided to take up for it

2562
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:42,719
shows that the government doesn't have

2563
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,960
an active process that they want to talk

2564
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:45,840
about

2565
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:49,280
now lou alejandro was of course

2566
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:50,639
one of the guys that had one of those

2567
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:52,639
secret jobs watching

2568
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:55,120
ufos for the us government for a while

2569
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:57,120
and i'm pretty sure it's still going

2570
01:31:01,830 --> 01:30:59,600
when when an ex-government official says

2571
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:01,840
they disbanded the program looking at

2572
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:03,440
ufos you know for a fact

2573
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:05,360
it's still going you're just not a part

2574
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:07,280
of it i think there's more evidence of

2575
01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:07,600
that

2576
01:31:12,629 --> 01:31:10,960
actually yeah yeah so all those um

2577
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:12,639
all those programs whether they've had

2578
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:14,159
contact where they

2579
01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:16,239
they're in cahoots with them all those

2580
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:17,920
different stories you hear

2581
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,360
uh eventually enough will leak out

2582
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:23,360
and you just still in the in this

2583
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:24,639
current time have to make up your own

2584
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:25,199
mind

2585
01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:28,000
we have enough data that individually

2586
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:28,480
you

2587
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:32,960
it or not where did it come from

2588
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:36,080
and is it consistent uh with what you

2589
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:37,920
understand both in physics

2590
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:39,760
and the people telling you uh their

2591
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:41,360
stories

2592
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:44,560
i am the chief mufon investigator for

2593
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:45,679
florida

2594
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:48,080
i see all the stories and reports coming

2595
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:48,880
into florida

2596
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:52,880
every day and we as a group

2597
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:56,400
try to determine what reports

2598
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:59,360
are real and which ones aren't and and

2599
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:00,400
quite frankly we

2600
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:02,960
we run about a five to eight percent

2601
01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:03,840
unknown

2602
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:07,360
uh we just don't know and and and

2603
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:09,199
some of those still might be known but

2604
01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:11,760
we're running about that that average

2605
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:14,880
so it's fascinating to see uh what we we

2606
01:32:18,070 --> 01:32:16,960
come up with just as citizen scientists

2607
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:18,080
that the government

2608
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:19,840
won't talk about don't have programs

2609
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:22,239
that are um out there

2610
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:26,080
and i i actually wrote a letter to

2611
01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:28,639
um my congressman one time and said hey

2612
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,639
if you want to see some real fun stuff

2613
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:32,639
i got a load of it and i don't know how

2614
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:34,400
it fits into

2615
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:36,880
uh the government scheme of things right

2616
01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:37,840
now

2617
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:40,080
but it seems like they're a little busy

2618
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:41,199
and

2619
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:45,120
they may have um other issues they think

2620
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:46,000
are

2621
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:48,800
bigger but at the same time i can't

2622
01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:51,280
imagine anything bigger than this

2623
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:52,880
which leads me to believe they already

2624
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:55,199
have it

2625
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:57,920
researched and under control and

2626
01:33:00,070 --> 01:32:58,719
invested

2627
01:33:01,910 --> 01:33:00,080
enough research into it where they're

2628
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:01,920
comfortable with their position you're

2629
01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:03,920
just not going to know about it

2630
01:33:09,669 --> 01:33:07,360
and either for national security reasons

2631
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:09,679
uh which i understand being in the

2632
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:11,600
military myself as long as i have i i

2633
01:33:17,669 --> 01:33:15,040
get those concerns but eventually that

2634
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:17,679
needs to fade away and we need to have

2635
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:19,600
an adult discussion

2636
01:33:23,189 --> 01:33:21,600
on what's in our air space what's in our

2637
01:33:24,070 --> 01:33:23,199
seas and why are people seeing what

2638
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:24,080
they're seeing

2639
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:28,159
in mass now and in videos um it's

2640
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:29,520
it's interesting to say the least we're

2641
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:31,360
in an interesting time

2642
01:33:35,669 --> 01:33:34,320
but i think i think for us individually

2643
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:35,679
the best you can do is write your

2644
01:33:40,870 --> 01:33:38,719
your congress people and say

2645
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:40,880
when are you guys going to release that

2646
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:43,360
or at least investigate this

2647
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:45,679
and give us some some input on what you

2648
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:47,440
found

2649
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:49,360
and guess what you're not going to push

2650
01:33:51,430 --> 01:33:50,480
the government where it doesn't want to

2651
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:51,440
go

2652
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:53,360
but i think with enough reporting it'll

2653
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:55,280
eventually get out there

2654
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:57,120
and uh force the issue i just don't know

2655
01:34:02,229 --> 01:33:58,880
when that's going to take place

2656
01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:02,239
anything else jonathan uh no i just

2657
01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:04,000
wanted to say thank you for all the work

2658
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,760
you're doing and you know because so

2659
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:07,520
many people and even scientists are

2660
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:08,960
reluctant to talk about this

2661
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:10,960
unfortunately so just thank you that you

2662
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:12,159
know you are willing to come out and

2663
01:34:14,950 --> 01:34:13,440
speak publicly

2664
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:14,960
and i think people like you need to be

2665
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:16,719
you know encouraged and applauded for

2666
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:18,159
talking about this and

2667
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:20,880
hopefully more people will do so in in

2668
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:21,440
the future

2669
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:24,639
so thank you you're welcome and uh trust

2670
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:25,840
the old guys i'm old

2671
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:28,320
and so we we tend to speak more because

2672
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:30,320
we just don't care anymore

2673
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,920
we're done with i'm retired you know

2674
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:33,440
what are they going to do to me

2675
01:34:36,470 --> 01:34:35,679
um it's so it's one of those type of

2676
01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:36,480
attitudes the

2677
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:38,639
the old folks who are speaking you

2678
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:40,719
really need to pay attention to because

2679
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:42,159
they're telling you for a reason and

2680
01:34:45,109 --> 01:34:43,760
they're concerned enough to say

2681
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:45,119
something even though it may be near the

2682
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:46,400
end of their life

2683
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:49,600
um it's important and so yeah

2684
01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:53,199
pay attention interesting

2685
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:56,239
all right hey thank you for the call

2686
01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:57,760
well thank you for having me on thank

2687
01:35:01,430 --> 01:34:59,520
you all right

2688
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:01,440
um i wanted to put up a couple more

2689
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:03,360
clips but i think oh i know what i did

2690
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:04,480
wrong

2691
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:09,199
so um let's see uh we can talk about

2692
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:10,960
is this one we didn't talk about that

2693
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:12,239
one yet did we

2694
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:14,719
we did not uh that's off the i think the

2695
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,600
sdo

2696
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:17,360
satellite system and the reason why i

2697
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:19,920
threw that in is to show you that

2698
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:22,960
it has two streaks two lines

2699
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:26,480
but the bright spot is um about

2700
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,080
the object's length behind the other

2701
01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:32,639
trail and this is one of those things

2702
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:34,159
where astronomers can't

2703
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:36,159
answer the question because what is

2704
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:37,840
making the streaks

2705
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:40,400
if there's only one side of the the

2706
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:42,080
whole equation is bright and the other

2707
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:44,080
side is dark

2708
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:46,159
so it's not a it's not a charge transfer

2709
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:47,760
effect

2710
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:49,920
but you can't see what's causing the

2711
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:51,760
second trail which

2712
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:53,840
is obviously evident right next to the

2713
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:55,600
first object

2714
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:58,080
to the right so that's one this one's

2715
01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:00,000
fascinating for all the characteristics

2716
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:01,600
it holds within

2717
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:06,320
a astrobiology question

2718
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,040
that astrophysicists stop at they can't

2719
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:13,199
they can't answer the mail they don't

2720
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,440
know what what they're saying

2721
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,920
but an astrobiologist would say well

2722
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:19,760
you're you're seeing probably the tail

2723
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:20,239
end

2724
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:23,040
of a structure that is still cloaked and

2725
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:23,679
or

2726
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:26,400
not visible to this particular ccd

2727
01:36:30,149 --> 01:36:27,040
looking for

2728
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:30,159
only one spectrum of frequency or maybe

2729
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:31,440
a real narrow band

2730
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:34,560
of frequency that

2731
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:36,560
makes it look like there's nothing there

2732
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:38,080
and in fact there might be something

2733
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:38,480
there

2734
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:40,000
it's just not a full spectrum camera

2735
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:41,840
like your eyes your eyes see a band of

2736
01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:43,600
colors it's it's a nice spread

2737
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:46,960
in the spectral system uh of light

2738
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:49,360
but that particular one is looking at

2739
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:51,520
the the three or four angstrom

2740
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,719
and you you cannot tell what the

2741
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,400
second object is it's creating that

2742
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:58,639
second trail and i found it fascinating

2743
01:37:01,830 --> 01:36:59,679
for that reason

2744
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,840
well um well since your military i'm

2745
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:03,360
going to ask you had had you

2746
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:07,600
seen this on the debrief.org

2747
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:10,639
that the i think the gentleman was

2748
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:12,320
speaking about

2749
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,440
there's a lot of news on this and in

2750
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,960
particular it could be

2751
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:18,400
people have speculated that was the

2752
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:20,560
batman balloon i don't know if it's a

2753
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:22,800
hundred percent

2754
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:25,280
solid that's what it is and another

2755
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:28,320
thing it was at like 20 between 27

2756
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:31,280
000 feet and maybe 30. yeah it's got to

2757
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:31,920
say

2758
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:33,199
you look at the clouds in the first

2759
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:35,119
picture and you can see he's pretty high

2760
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:35,440
up

2761
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:37,600
that's that's a pretty decent altitude

2762
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:39,679
because you're way above the uh the scud

2763
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:40,880
line down below

2764
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:43,440
so i had a discussion with john uh

2765
01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:45,119
greenwald on this who does a lot of

2766
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:46,239
research

2767
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:49,280
and i said uh from from what i know

2768
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,560
a mylar balloon cannot go

2769
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:54,560
to this altitude matter of fact they

2770
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:56,080
usually burst

2771
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:59,920
or um deflate um when they hit about

2772
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:01,360
seven thousand feet

2773
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:03,360
and this thing is you know this thing's

2774
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:04,560
way up there

2775
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:07,199
um and he he said that no they actually

2776
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:09,040
go higher than that but i don't know

2777
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:10,480
i haven't been able to find any

2778
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:12,080
information online

2779
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,560
that the mylar balloons can go to you

2780
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:16,639
know 27 000 feet

2781
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:18,960
yeah i think it is possible i don't

2782
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:19,760
think that's what this

2783
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:23,440
is um but it's the problem

2784
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:25,360
with this particular picture is it's got

2785
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:26,560
really good symmetry

2786
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:28,800
it has all the points in the right spot

2787
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:29,760
they all seem to be

2788
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:32,800
geometrically aligned and uh

2789
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:36,639
that gives it away more maybe 40

2790
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:40,880
49 51 51 towards man-made 49

2791
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:43,440
percent not one of ours just because

2792
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:44,000
it's so

2793
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:47,119
well symmetried but so are saucers

2794
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:48,960
they're they're perfectly round well

2795
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:50,320
another picture i'm not sure if we're

2796
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:52,239
going to be getting this or not

2797
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,239
is a um is one a triangle that came out

2798
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:58,239
of the water supposedly

2799
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,080
with lights on the corners and one in

2800
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:02,639
the center supposedly

2801
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:05,840
that took off uh and it took off on a

2802
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:06,800
vertical

2803
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:08,960
you know like this picture is right now

2804
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,480
on a vertical

2805
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:12,560
uh you know you wouldn't think it would

2806
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:13,760
fly

2807
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,440
like that the way something would take

2808
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:17,760
off sideways uh you would think it would

2809
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:19,520
go aerodynamic but uh

2810
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:21,679
it did not another puzzle another

2811
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,719
strange thing

2812
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:24,560
well what's unfortunate on this one is

2813
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:25,920
they don't have a video showing you

2814
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:26,639
trajectory

2815
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:28,320
is it stationary or is it moving with

2816
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:30,080
the aircraft right

2817
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:31,679
if it's moving with the aircraft and it

2818
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:33,280
has no means of propulsion that we can

2819
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:33,600
see

2820
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,880
it's one of theirs and or one of our

2821
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,400
really cool drones that we have that no

2822
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,320
one's talking about

2823
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:42,560
unfortunately i think there's a mix

2824
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:43,600
going on right now

2825
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,880
i really do and uh i think the way you

2826
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:48,320
can tell which one's ours and which

2827
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:49,440
one's theirs

2828
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:52,400
if i were a betting man we do straight

2829
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:52,960
lines

2830
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:55,040
as a species look at your wings on your

2831
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:56,560
plane look at

2832
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,880
how we build things that fly there's a

2833
01:40:01,510 --> 01:40:00,320
straight line on it somewhere the

2834
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:01,520
fuselage is straight

2835
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:03,199
the wings are straight the tail sections

2836
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:05,040
straight everything has a straight edge

2837
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:05,679
to it

2838
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:07,760
props have a good solid straight edge to

2839
01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:11,280
it but if you see a ball hovering

2840
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:13,199
and you can't see the propeller you

2841
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:15,040
can't see the helium and it's going

2842
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:16,719
300 miles an hour right alongside of you

2843
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:18,880
while you're you're flying in a jet

2844
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:22,000
it's probably either one of theirs or we

2845
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:25,760
have uh drones now that have levitation

2846
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:27,119
capabilities

2847
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:29,440
one or the other but if it's a freaky

2848
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:31,679
shape like you just showed earlier

2849
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:34,880
it's it's man it's 50 50. i it's hard to

2850
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:35,520
tell

2851
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:38,480
yeah um i've just got confirmation

2852
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:40,080
earlier on that i'm going to have a

2853
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,040
guest on

2854
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,600
that had quite an amazing sighting he's

2855
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:45,520
his family is astronomers

2856
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:47,679
scientists and they were all out at a

2857
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:48,800
family gathering

2858
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:52,159
last uh july of 2019

2859
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:55,520
and uh they saw tic tacs the tic tac

2860
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:58,719
ufos and a saucer all together it's

2861
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,520
quite a story

2862
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,520
they're going to be coming on probably

2863
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:03,440
in january sometime

2864
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:05,040
but what do you think about you know

2865
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:08,719
going back to the shape the tic tac ufo

2866
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:12,080
funny you should ask that um

2867
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:15,440
in in mufon we had a a case that i

2868
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:18,000
had to process i got the case i actually

2869
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:18,960
took it

2870
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,639
uh because the gentleman had some videos

2871
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:22,239
from his backyard party with his family

2872
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:24,159
and hear the kids in the background

2873
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:25,920
and he pulls his phone up and he says

2874
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:28,400
look at those things by the clouds

2875
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:30,400
and he's talking to you know his family

2876
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:31,840
and little girls saying well what are

2877
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:32,080
you

2878
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,679
looking at daddy and he goes i don't

2879
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:35,920
know and so when i put it through

2880
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:38,480
adobe premiere pro is looking at the

2881
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:40,159
video portion

2882
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:43,440
i started zooming in and lo and behold

2883
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:47,119
the dot he saw next to the clouds

2884
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:48,480
and i estimated the clouds to be about

2885
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:50,560
5000 feet agl

2886
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:53,920
above ground level and he um was talking

2887
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:55,360
about this one dot he goes look at this

2888
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:57,760
dot it's flowing in and out of the cloud

2889
01:42:02,070 --> 01:42:00,159
so i pulled it up on the um adobe

2890
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:02,080
program and i'm looking at it

2891
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:04,480
and all of a sudden i see two or three

2892
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:05,840
dots with it

2893
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:07,920
that are going extremely fast in and out

2894
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,440
of the field of view

2895
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,280
so i slow everything down and i'm doing

2896
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:13,520
frame by frame and realize there's two

2897
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:15,920
other dots flying around this

2898
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,679
other tic tac and when i got done with

2899
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:21,360
the estimation

2900
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:23,520
it looks like i was in the ballpark of 3

2901
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,520
600 miles an hour

2902
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:27,440
for the other two flying around but they

2903
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:29,199
were a little bit lighter

2904
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,800
man they were moving out and some of

2905
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:32,960
them weren't straight lines

2906
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:35,840
and uh it it it's still a case we have

2907
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:37,440
within our files

2908
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:41,119
and i say that to say this did a paper

2909
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:42,560
on

2910
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,440
do you guys think about

2911
01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:49,840
aircraft unknown aircraft moving through

2912
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,639
the atmosphere

2913
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:52,719
above sound level but they don't break

2914
01:42:55,830 --> 01:42:54,159
the sound waves there's

2915
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,840
no sound barrier breaking you don't hear

2916
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,520
that crack yeah

2917
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:59,360
and uh it didn't take me long to do the

2918
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,960
research on that

2919
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,880
to realize that the military has some

2920
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:04,400
patents out now

2921
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:06,960
dealing with uh plasma discharges near

2922
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:08,159
military vehicles

2923
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:11,440
yes right before impact or explosion of

2924
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:13,199
rpgs or whatever they're defending

2925
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:14,960
against and it turns out

2926
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:17,360
a plasma field is the best best

2927
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,159
shockwave

2928
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:21,280
absorber of everything it literally it

2929
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:22,159
takes in

2930
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:24,000
all the shock and it doesn't admit it

2931
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:25,520
through the backside it doesn't get

2932
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:27,440
through the plasma cloud

2933
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:29,920
and then it dawned on me wait a second

2934
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,719
if you have a

2935
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:32,639
propulsion system that has high

2936
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:33,920
magnetics

2937
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,199
and uh electrical dielectric charges

2938
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:39,440
involved it's going to create its own

2939
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,679
plasma field around the vehicle itself

2940
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:43,440
if it's high enough intensity

2941
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:45,760
like tesla said it's intensity frequency

2942
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:47,199
or vibration

2943
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:50,159
and knowing that it dawned on me well

2944
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:51,360
you've got a natural

2945
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:54,639
plasma cloud around the surface outside

2946
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,239
surface of your vehicle

2947
01:43:59,830 --> 01:43:57,840
you can go any speed you want and you're

2948
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,840
not going to hear it

2949
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:01,440
yeah there's there's someone that was

2950
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:03,280
doing i was trying to look up the

2951
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:06,239
person's name i want to say his name was

2952
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:09,040
mirabeau but i can't i can't find him

2953
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:12,320
he has been doing plasma research for

2954
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:16,080
many many years as far as as far as that

2955
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:18,080
goes i had a conversation with ray

2956
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:19,679
stanford about this

2957
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:22,400
and because he saw you know back in the

2958
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:24,000
70s or 80s

2959
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:27,119
he filmed a craft that actually had like

2960
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:27,760
a

2961
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:30,880
front of it

2962
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:33,440
moving along which is pretty interesting

2963
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:34,400
and and uh

2964
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:36,800
i want to say the guy was mirabeau that

2965
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:38,159
was actually doing some

2966
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:41,440
study on that and uh that makes sense

2967
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:44,080
uh the reason is if you're staring the

2968
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:46,159
field within your craft

2969
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:50,080
and you need one side of it to be um

2970
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:52,639
off center so you can move to that other

2971
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,239
side or have the back side

2972
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:56,639
push you along then you're going to

2973
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:57,360
shape the

2974
01:45:01,270 --> 01:45:00,000
the field around your craft into such a

2975
01:45:02,550 --> 01:45:01,280
configuration

2976
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:02,560
as to extend the field out in the

2977
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:04,880
direction you want to go what about uh

2978
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:05,760
transmedia

2979
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:08,239
like water would that thing working

2980
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:10,000
through through water

2981
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:11,440
only the people that were at the nimitz

2982
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:17,030
yeah so so yeah i think any type of

2983
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:18,000
plasma field

2984
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:21,520
or uh cocoon of electrostatic

2985
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:24,880
discharge like like they i think they're

2986
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:27,360
they're using uh brown and townsend did

2987
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:29,199
it back in the 40s and 50s

2988
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:30,800
they showed that they could take a disc

2989
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:32,080
and charge it up high enough to make it

2990
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:33,040
float

2991
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:35,520
so it's it's not new science i just

2992
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:36,400
think it's

2993
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:38,480
refined science and we're getting to see

2994
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:40,400
either ours or theirs

2995
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:43,280
using these these techniques of physics

2996
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:43,679
that

2997
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:46,719
are above most of us but are sure out

2998
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:48,480
there and now are visible now

2999
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:50,159
the rest of us just have to speculate

3000
01:45:52,870 --> 01:45:51,760
what's going on with the propulsion

3001
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:52,880
system

3002
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:55,280
wow very interesting i'm glad you know

3003
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,400
something about

3004
01:46:00,790 --> 01:45:59,119
a lot of this it makes it um even more

3005
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,800
interesting so we have time to take one

3006
01:46:06,990 --> 01:46:02,400
more call if someone like to call in

3007
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:08,390
855-472-5483

3008
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:10,239
again we have time for one more call if

3009
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:12,159
someone would like to call in um

3010
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:14,159
we looked at this one before i do

3011
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:15,600
remember that

3012
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:18,960
and uh this one i can't remember did we

3013
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:19,840
do that one

3014
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:22,639
we did not okay this is another flying

3015
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:24,400
refrigerator across the surface

3016
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:26,080
of the sun that's what you're seeing

3017
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:29,040
around it this is a mid-sun picture

3018
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:30,719
and uh the reason why i sent it to you

3019
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:32,719
is because it's an organized structure

3020
01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:36,320
it has dots surfaces straight lines

3021
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:37,840
it looks like it has some type of

3022
01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:39,840
propulsion means on the back side where

3023
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:40,880
all the white is

3024
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,880
again it's maxing out the sensor

3025
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,800
whatever that frequency is looking at

3026
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,800
can't handle any more of that intensity

3027
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:48,880
so it's it's got more intensity than the

3028
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:49,679
sun

3029
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:51,760
does that help so whatever that

3030
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:53,760
frequency is it's actually outshining

3031
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:54,639
the sun

3032
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,920
with that frequency so it's high

3033
01:47:01,750 --> 01:47:00,000
it's it's probably not as wide as you're

3034
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:01,760
saying because sensors sometimes bleed

3035
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:03,199
into the next pixel

3036
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:05,040
when they get uh washed out there's

3037
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:06,960
there's drain channels electrically into

3038
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:08,000
other channels so it may

3039
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:10,960
be maybe a thin line of one pixel long

3040
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:12,560
you just don't know that because it

3041
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:14,960
it spreads out a bit but the fascinating

3042
01:47:19,030 --> 01:47:15,679
part of this

3043
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:19,040
is again there's a whole length behind

3044
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:19,920
the object

3045
01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:22,800
and it looks like the energy propulsion

3046
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:24,560
system that's completely

3047
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:27,840
missing dark and then there's a trail

3048
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:30,159
so the trail picks up out of complete

3049
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,199
darkness

3050
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:33,840
which means it's not a transfer charge

3051
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:35,040
effect

3052
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:37,119
otherwise it'd be a pure smear from the

3053
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:38,480
beginning of the

3054
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:42,159
of the um light intensity that caused it

3055
01:47:46,390 --> 01:47:45,600
and i think this is really a true object

3056
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:46,400
with a true

3057
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:48,239
intensity that can't be explained with a

3058
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:50,000
trail behind it

3059
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:51,600
that should not be there because the

3060
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:53,199
pixels right in front of the trail are

3061
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:54,159
dark

3062
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:55,920
they shouldn't just start automatically

3063
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:58,159
smearing unless there was a real smear

3064
01:48:02,470 --> 01:47:59,280
line there

3065
01:48:05,109 --> 01:48:02,480
or i call a trail well okay

3066
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:05,119
let's see we have a of this came over

3067
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:08,159
from the kgra radio station

3068
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:11,199
and uh so this chat uh question is is

3069
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:11,520
there

3070
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:14,000
any info respective to what the

3071
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:16,159
government knows on what is going

3072
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:18,719
on in different departments or in the

3073
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:20,639
nation's military or is this part of the

3074
01:48:26,709 --> 01:48:23,280
black operations

3075
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:26,719
um i don't know any of that

3076
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:29,440
uh individually and but i do know how

3077
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:30,480
the government runs when

3078
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:32,239
compartmentalized information

3079
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:35,840
is is needed for a program

3080
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:38,239
and i've been in programs where the guy

3081
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:39,440
next to you does not know what you're

3082
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:40,000
doing

3083
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,719
you you just need to know yeah it's a

3084
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:44,400
need to know basis

3085
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:47,520
and the line on top gun is not

3086
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:49,679
it's not far off you know if you were

3087
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:52,320
told they'd have to kill you

3088
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:54,560
some of this stuff is so dark and so

3089
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:55,440
deep and and

3090
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,440
has been doing it for so long uh that's

3091
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:59,280
why area 51 s4

3092
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:01,520
all these different places have such an

3093
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:03,600
interesting and fascinating history to

3094
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:05,119
it because no one can get to it there's

3095
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:06,560
no visibility

3096
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:09,840
um and that's on purpose

3097
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:12,000
that's you don't do experiments at this

3098
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:13,199
level

3099
01:49:20,229 --> 01:49:16,800
uh in the public arena because that's

3100
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:20,239
that gives away all your knowledge to

3101
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:21,199
your enemies

3102
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:24,080
and uh for nationals you know defense

3103
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:25,280
reasons

3104
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:28,239
uh some of this stays secret the issue

3105
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:29,599
is and what really

3106
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:32,880
perturbs me is i think there's also some

3107
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:36,159
um free energy

3108
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:38,000
capability that government has that

3109
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:39,520
should be released

3110
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:42,639
we should know uh of systems that

3111
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:45,760
offer energy that

3112
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:48,080
is not coal based or petroleum-based

3113
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:49,040
like we're doing it now

3114
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:52,560
solar is still infant wind is is

3115
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:53,920
is optimized it's not going to get any

3116
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:57,119
better um it's all about money when it

3117
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:58,159
comes to any of that

3118
01:50:02,229 --> 01:50:00,800
it really is um i wish that they think

3119
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:02,239
it would destroy

3120
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:05,360
the country for you know fossil fuels or

3121
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:05,920
whatever

3122
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:08,159
um it's going to be awful hard to come

3123
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:09,280
out if they actually have that

3124
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:10,480
capability

3125
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:12,400
if there's no jobs that could be created

3126
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:14,400
it's all leads back to money

3127
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:16,159
how do you transition the whole society

3128
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:19,360
that's the problem very slowly

3129
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,800
very slowly is the only way you can do

3130
01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:22,880
it we only have a couple minutes left

3131
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:25,599
the question here do you have something

3132
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:28,639
to say about the giant wheel image from

3133
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:32,159
soho i'm not familiar with that are you

3134
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:35,360
the giant wheel image um if it's a

3135
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:36,960
particular image

3136
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:39,119
i'll need the date time group on it to

3137
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:40,960
look it up and it's kind of hard to make

3138
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:42,320
a decision

3139
01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:43,920
did you ever see an image from that

3140
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:46,400
satellite that looked like a giant wheel

3141
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,639
that you're did that ever does that ring

3142
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,080
any type of bell at all

3143
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:52,719
at all they're they're i have triangles

3144
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:53,199
in my

3145
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:56,400
my uh archives and i've seen uh

3146
01:51:02,390 --> 01:50:59,920
the c2 sensor it is so

3147
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:02,400
there's a c2 sensor that has a

3148
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:04,480
three-quarter inch wheel around the sun

3149
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:05,679
just to the upper

3150
01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:08,719
right um about a half a solar distance

3151
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:09,840
out

3152
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:13,199
that is a microfilament that is

3153
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:15,920
obscuring the optics it's consistent oh

3154
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:17,520
and so that particular

3155
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:21,040
that's an artifact or the

3156
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:24,080
ccd itself uh are there

3157
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:27,119
other objects out there that are not

3158
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:28,080
related to that

3159
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:32,000
that are circular square uh triangular

3160
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:35,280
yep i've got them yeah well soon you're

3161
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:36,639
going to have a website we have to end

3162
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:37,360
the show now

3163
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:39,599
but thank you so much uh and hopefully

3164
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:41,520
um you will have that website up

3165
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,960
and once you get it up let me know and i

3166
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,560
will link it in the show notes

3167
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:46,159
sounds good i'll do that thanks for

3168
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:48,000
having me on you bet thanks a lot

3169
01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:49,840
i really appreciate it and thank you i

3170
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:52,000
appreciate you filling in on last minute

3171
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:55,040
thank you no problem take care

3172
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:57,119
bye all right everyone so we will be

3173
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:58,320
back uh

3174
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:01,199
next week now actually we're going to be

3175
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:03,440
back next week for the regular audio

3176
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:05,679
uh podcast but uh if you want to listen

3177
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:06,880
live to tim

3178
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:10,159
mcmillan uh from thebrief.org

3179
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:11,520
that everyone's talking about he's going

3180
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:14,080
to be on the show on sunday this coming

3181
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:14,880
sunday

3182
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:17,920
the 13th at 2 p.m eastern time

3183
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:20,400
if you want to um get a subscription to

3184
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:21,119
youtube

3185
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:23,599
then notifications you'll see that so we

3186
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,360
got to run it now we got to

3187
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:27,119
end the show so i want to thank you